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Welcome to Future Lab, where we explore the cutting edge of health span and longevity. I'm Danny Irvine, and with me is my co-host, Dr. Denise Finesse. Hello and Trevor Hendy. Morning guys. Morning. So good to be here. I'm so excited about today because I've literally got one of my best mates, um, that we get to talk and dig inside of his soul a little bit and have a conversation and dig inside his soul.

Yeah, absolutely. We'll do that. I'm sure we'll go do that. We're gonna that he's ready too. He's ready. So who, who is your best friend then? Who's one of your best friends that we're gonna be speaking to then? Yes. Well, other than yourself, of course. Danny. Yeah. And me now you said I, yeah. Um, so yeah, look, absolutely excited to have a, uh, a planetary warrior.

I reckon. He's a guy that's actually stood for everything that he stood for the truth, but he's certainly stood for everything that's rattled the untruth. Um, and he's actually copped it because of that. Yeah. You know, he's really, really said, no, there's lots more to this than this. And, and Hey, what about that?

What about that? He's constantly pointing outside of the status quo. Yeah. Um, and out of the accepted, maybe a bit of a poster child for what happens when you push against the uh, yes. He's not the first person to be crucified. No. But, um, he's certainly experienced it. Um, so of course, um, the incredible, uh, warrior.

Pete Evans, welcome buddy. Hey, thank you so much for having us. Good day everybody. And, uh, yeah, honored to be here. So, mate, I think we'll have a few listeners of our show that will, um, not know a lot about you as in who you really are because I, I, I wanna explore with people. Just really quickly, I, I've got an opening question for you, so just let me set this up, okay?

Um, and we'll get into your live and we'll get into some of our adventures and things as we go on. But, um. There's a a, a term called straw man. And a straw man is basically like you put a straw man in a field to scare the birds off, to keeps everyone away from the crop. So the straw man's not real, but the straw man scares the birds.

It looks real. And so basically when there's an old, um, psychological warfare term called create a strawman. So what you do is you take a person and you take something they say that's dangerous to the status quo or dangerous to someone else's intentions. And what you do is you find a way to take something they say and turn it into something that puts people into fear or into worry into their hind brain.

Oh, what are you talking about? You know. Bone broth for babies, you know, I'm, throw that one out first, you know? And, um, and then what it does is it creates this fear. So then people automatically filter the way they see a person. So Donald Trump's been a classic example of there's a straw man of Donald Trump, and then there's Donald Trump, you know, as Donald Trump, the person with all of his flaws and his, whatever else he, he is.

But then there's this orange man bad, you know, there's this straw man. I talk, say the names, and people go, oh, what are you talking about? It's a tactic as a, as a way of discrediting someone. It's a psychological tactic to make sure that nothing that person says cuts through. Mm-hmm. So in, um, this beautiful man Pete's life, what he's done is, and, and that's why I'm gonna ask this question, is because something natural to him, something organic inside of him has said, no, no, no.

I wanna challenge this, or I wanna challenge that. And by virtue of him just being him, um, he's taken on. The status quo in lots of different areas. And when he is done that he's actually rattled a lot of, um, you know, bought and paid for areas. And he's rattled a lot of different, um, things that we believe.

That's just the way it is. My doctor told me that my so-and-so told me that, you know, whatever it is. Um, and one of the things, Pete, is that certainly out of you was created a straw man. So there's a straw man of Pete Evans. He's this controversial figure. He says crazy shit, you know, he says sunscreen might give you cancer.

He says, stare into the sun. You know? Um, I'm trying, trying. I can give you a worse one. Yeah. I, I, I looked you up last night because I knew we were, you know, speaking to you today. And I've, I've not met you before, but Trevor says wonderful things and I thought, I'll just have a look now. I did not even click on anything.

'cause the first thing that came up was actually. It was intense. It had something about neo-Nazis, like the first thing that came up about you. And I was like, whoa. I was like, now I know what you're talking about. Because what TR is talking about, he, he's mentioned this to Danny and I and everything you went through.

And to be honest, I didn't really know how hard all this hit you. Of course I heard a few things and then you disappeared, but I had no idea. And when that came up on the internet last night, I thought, wow, that is. That's, that's, that's terrible. Anyway, I'm sure you'll get into it all, but just give, just validating what you are talking about.

Yeah. S that's a good one. Um, that, that came up. That came. That's a good one. Um, what is that? Obviously anti-vax has been a one used a lot lately, but, um, uh, things right through to um, oh, autism connected to vaccination things to using, you know, med beds or bioenergy to help things. Um, you know, uh, there's a whole list of things actually.

I was, I was just sort of reminding myself, 'cause obviously I've been sort of standing by a side that was going on. Flew. I'm sure Pete could probably tell us as well the water that this thing in the water, you know, blah, blah, blah. Um, uh, I got staring into the sunlight dinner. Oh, dairy, potentially leaching calcium from your bones, man, you've basically called out every single thing out there that's actually controversial or, or whatever.

And what's actually happened is out of all that, there's. Call it whatever you want. People can be ready for that information or not. It's just information. They're just viewpoints. And one of the things we'll touch on with Pete as we go into this is a lot of this has come from experts that he's spoken to the, the, the leaders in their field around the world.

And he said, oh, guess what I discovered today? And then he gets shot for delivering the message. But a straw man's been created outta you mate. And you've got this Pete Evans guy that people like to throw darts at. You're dangerous to society. You've set back medical advancements for decades and all this sort of stuff.

So before we get into that, I wanna ask you one question for the pers the person listening right now. Who are you, really not the straw man. Who's Pete Evans? Who's the guy who's the guy that I've fallen in love with, you've fallen in love with? Who's the guy that people that know you, um, just go, my God, they walk to the end of the end of the earth for you.

Who are you really, bro? Uh, thank you for the introduction and uh, what a big question. I'm like everybody else there. You know, a being of unconditional love, working through the process of remembering that at all times. Mm. And, you know, and that's pretty much it. You know, I, I, I, I do not like to, um, attach identity or labels to who we are except for that, you know, because that is the ultimate truth is, um, you know, we are love, you know, as, as kooky as that sounds, you know, when we, when we can, when remember that and then, you know, it's, there's no one right or wrong in their beliefs or their actions.

It is really just about expressing ourselves and following your intuition and being flexible to, I. Change our minds and, and be curious as to that. Going back to your question, the number one question we could ask ourselves is, who am I? You know? And that's been at the forefront of my curiosity as a human being for a very, very, very long time.

And it will probably continue to be the number one question that I ask myself as I live through this experience of reality. So. Beautifully said, and let's just touch on this for a moment before we break into the rest of it, because when you say, we are love, we are all love, this is a big place to start.

Let's start. Let's start. Let's set the tone, right? Mm-hmm. Is that, do you think ultimately all that rubbish that I just rattled on, that people are attacking you for, do you think ultimately this is more to do with the, the fact that you are getting challenged because you're trying to work out who you really are, you're following your intuition.

You're talking about no one's right or wrong, we're all just exploring our true capacity, who we really are, et cetera, et cetera. Is that, like, if I framed it for you, right, the side, is that the reason why you've been on this hero's journey, you know, you've been turned inside and out, you've had things stripped away from you, which we'll touch on later.

Is this the deeper context of why you're in such a battle? Um, is it because it's, it's pushing you back to go, who are you really? Well, I don't, I, I don't think, I mean a battle with anybody, to be honest with you. And you know what? You talk about being turned inside out. I have not been turned inside out through any of that.

Yep. External, um, uh, judgment if you, if you wanna go. So the strawman, the straw man's been in the battle and the straw man got turned inside out, right? Like the actual, well, the identity each and every one of us is a mirror. Hmm. For other people, you, you know this in imp impeccably and explicitly that, um, you know, what we see in others is, is an area.

And when we judge what we see in others, whether it be right or wrong, good or bad, um, I. That is just a invitation for us if we are triggered either, either negatively or positively to delve deeper into that question of who am I? And I have come to the realization like many others, that when we are, when we recognize ourselves as a mirror for other people, um, and I'm not unique in this, as I said, everybody is that, you know, whether it be your partner, whether it be your children, your parents, your boss, your employee, the list goes on and on.

They just act as mirrors for us to identify where the potential invitation is, as for us to go deeper into ourselves to ask, who am I? So, uh, I'm happy to play that role for as long as that energy seems to be attracted to this. Individual. And you know, I'm not unique in this. There are many other individuals.

You mentioned Trump before. He is no doubt a huge mirror for other people to deal with. There potentially limiting self beliefs on who they are. You know, there seems to be a category of people that really do not like Trump. You know, I, when I look at Trump, I see him as potentially a very masculine father figure.

And then for the people that really get triggered by him, have they got father issues, parental issues that are unresolved because he does command that sort of, um, uh, I, I don't wanna say respect, but energy from people you know, and, and. We all are like that, each and every one of us. There's a, he presents with authority, doesn't he?

He presents everything including himself with authority, which brings up that whole energy. Well, it does. It really, really unnerves a lot of people because authority. Um, I like listening to what Kelly Brogan says. She's a psychiatrist that, uh, was, I know Kelly was in the system and then chose to step out of that traditional or, or contemporary system.

And she talks about the mother and father wounds and, you know, we've just been through mommy medicine, daddy government. We are witnessing this play out and for individuals that choose to be sovereign and have identified those potential weaknesses and not everybody has them. Um, but potential self-limiting beliefs about authority figures.

Mom, dad. Big pharma, government, big tech, ai, this type of thing, whether it be, uh, the judicial system, um, some people really rely on that because they still want others to look after them. And for the, I guess the individuals or the communities that have worked through those sort of self-limiting beliefs about authority and parental figures, that now, you know, I don't like to use the word sovereign, but I'll use it in this, this case.

Um, you can sit back and watch the, the show or the entertainment as it, as it plays out, and you can see it for what it is, you know, it's, again, it's just an invitation for people to see where these limitations are in themselves until where it triggers, until they accept full ownership and responsibility of who they are without.

Playing the victim without blaming, without being the perpetrator, without being the martyr or the fixer or, or the victim. And, you know, I'd highly recommend anybody that's, that's fascinated by this topic to jump onto Kelly Brogan's podcast and read her books and, um, yeah. 'cause there's a lot of wealth of information in there that can help navigate through these sort of, those questions of who am I?

Why am I triggered by Trump? Why am I triggered by this crazy chef that's out there? Why, well, is it, or, or whatever it may be. He, he, he also seems to be, and I can think of a few other people like that, almost like a blank canvas on which people just project their shit onto him. So whatever it is that they don't want to deal about themselves, and they might unconsciously recognize certain features about themselves.

Hmm. In themselves, but they don't want to admit it. They don't want to own it, and it's just an easy foil to sort of project that onto another person. Yeah. It's a popular foil to do too. Yeah. We can all do it in agreement approval. Done. That's right. History, haven't we? Well, we, I'm wondering though, sorry, you go.

I'm wondering, o obviously I, maybe I'm jumping ahead and I know Trev's got some questions and we are going to dive in this, but I'm just still fascinated, you know, your opening and how you have described that you are not in, in a battle, which I think is fantastic. Mm-hmm. I didn't know you were in a big battle, but obviously you know all the stuff that's being said about you and I saw something last night that would be triggering.

How, how, I mean, you've already described it in a sense, but in reality, how do you deal with those moments when something comes back at you that is misinterpreted, which is, you know, very inflammatory and really trying to sort of bring you down? Yeah, I, I'm, I'm neutral to it. That's, that's the story. Yeah.

You've become the observer of it, haven't you? You've become the, the sort of still Hmm. Look at that. Well, it's, it's, yeah. I'm sitting on their property and, you know, surrounded by trees and, and every day it's a d it's a different, um, climate, different environment. You know, we've just been through a mini cyclone.

We've been through, we, we have, we've been through droughts, we've been through floods, we've been through all, all the, the changing of the season, but also just the, the difference in every single day of every single minute. And you watch the trees, you know, do they react in a, get upset, get upset by the rain or the sun or whatever, the wind or whatever it is, you know, and.

And, and for me, life is not about having expectations of what I think it should be. It's about living with the reality that exists. And surfing has brought me so much clarity in this concept because as a surfer, when I go out, my intention is to ride. The best waves that I can without having any expectations.

And every single minute in the ocean is different. And sometimes I have a, an amazing time outta the ocean when it's choppy and rough and, and wild. Um, e equally as enjoyable as when it's calm and perfect and just rifling, which it was today. So you learn to ride the waves that are present for us without trying to control the, you know, if I imagine if I chose to only surf when it's perfect, you know, what, what a, a service that would be to, to my, uh, evolution as a surfer and the enjoyment that I can, can have.

So I, I, I'm saying this because we can focus on those, those stories that are made up by people that. Are paid to create sensational stories. That's their job. That's the game, that's the agenda. That's what gets eyeballs, you know, sensational headlines. That's, that's the game. When you realize that that is the game, and I've been in this game for quite a, quite a few decades.

You, you get to see what it is and it's just like, okay, well today that's, it's a little choppy out there. You know, I'll just ride this wave to the best that I can, you know, I enjoy it. Yeah, I, I do, because obviously I, I'll hold my breath today. I'll go under this wave a bit longer, you know? Well, but that must have been a process.

I mean, you must, I mean, if you've been in this game for decades, when you first started sort of getting those, those sorts of attacks, it must have affected you with the beginning. How did you learn to detach yourself from that and recognize that it is the game that it is? Will I, and I'm interested to know if you have ever retaliated, have you ever had the moment, even in the early days, where maybe what Danny's saying at the beginning, was there re retaliation, or you've always been able to maintain this, this perspective and, and ability to deal with it?

Try and answer both those questions. Yeah, sure. Yeah. It, it's fascinating the words that you use, attack and retaliation. Yes, yes. You know, I, I, I find that fascinating, you know, because that, because our language and our vocabulary creates a reality. It, it and it's so often overlooked and underestimated the power of our words, the power of that.

It like, if I could give any advice, which I do not like to give too often, unless it is asked, but I will interject here and, um, buck my buck, what I normally don't do, um, the language that we use, like if I saw these things as attacks, then I would no doubt play the victim. If I saw this as something that I need to retaliate with, you know, I would then play out the perpetrator or to.

To combat that, to be the fixer, to the be, to the be the martyr. And I've witnessed this to get one back, you know, and, and then you are just in this, this constant fight or flight, you know, this stress type reality instead of, again, they're just stepping back and just going there. Ha. There also is a part that where anything that happens in your life, you have manifested it, you have created it, you know, that's that full accountability responsibility.

So I take full ownership and accountability responsibility that I have created this, this persona or this, this reality in which I do attract what you would call attacks. Attacks. Mm. And I'm grateful for it, you know, because it is another invitation to, to go deeper and go, okay, well what is the big picture of this?

You know, and I've come up with so many different, um, responses and answers to that question. Why am I manifesting, what, what are some of the top, what, what, what's the top answers that you have at the moment? Why are you manifesting this? What is the big picture? Yeah, because it's ab what is the big picture that right now?

Because it's absolutely perfect. Everything that ev has ever happened and will ever happen is absolutely perfect for myself in this, this present moment. So that's what I see and that's how I react. Or you react is a shit word too. It's perfect. In what context do you mean lessons that you should be learning or, well, for myself and for others, like the, the, the awareness that these types of conversations or those types of headlines bring out.

Again, it's that mirror. Yeah. This must be playing out for some reason or reasons for myself and for others. And then detach the expectation of actually trying to find out the answer or, or the reason for that. And just accepting and trusting and surrendering to the process and loving unconditionally the entire process so that you can stay in a state of neutrality.

You know, my, my, you say you say that so easily. Wow. But it's, you know, I mean, as if, as if, um, yeah, you just do that where in fact, most of us really struggle with that to detach and to accept and to almost, um, submit yourself. Yeah. To just things playing out even though they, you know, might otherwise be perceived as harmful or a threat to do that.

Is, is, that's a skill. Yes. And, and it must have been learned, or did you just find that that's just your being, your personality throughout life? Uh, I, I would definitely say some, some very deep psychedelic or antigenic medicine sessions have given me. Right. Um. Uh, s remembrances of who we are. Mm-hmm. Or who I am.

Yeah. And, and, and it doesn't differ between myself and anybody else. Okay, so psychedelic epiphanies. Can I just say on that, Pete, I just wanna say for the astute listener that if they went back three or four minutes in this conversation, when you very first said, I've been seeing this and viewing this as perfect, and even a little bit before that, before Danny asked you, there was a moment where you said it, that, where you just went into stillness and there'll be a few people listening that would've felt that, that there's this stillness in what you're saying.

It's been a, the recognition that this is happening for you. Not to you has been such a profound thing and that the change that you have been going through is happening through you, um, for yourself and for others. And ultimately 'cause there's a, a process around for you, to you through you all the way up to by you.

Yeah. That you, I created this, you know? Wow. So at some level, spiritually, this being named Pete Evans at the moment, um, uh, has gone, wow, I wanna have this journey in this lesson around who my, my true power and who I really am and reconnect with, let's call it source consciousness or, or whatever we wanna call it.

Um, so I, for the, I, I just wanna acknowledge that 'cause there'll be people listening that would've went. Oh, I just felt that, I just felt what he said because there's an a readiness for some people to step through that threshold and to go, what did you just say? Did you just say, I created all of this? Did you just say, I can take responsibility for this?

'cause that moment, right there is the moment that you cannot be controlled by anything. The moment you recognize, this is all my creation, it's all perfect, is the moment you are outta the game. Outta the system. And Denise, Danny went, how did you learn that? Which is a very 'cause 'cause I, you know, I don't act like that.

And Denise went, and Denise went, wow. I, yeah, I was, because I was like, I wanna be humans. Yeah. Don't, I mean we, I mean we are biological beings that have certain responses and we're certainly enculturated and well, that's one view that we're biological beings. Okay. Go down rabbit holes. That's one part of the view.

That's it. But we're, we're certainly conditioned and a body of mind ins, enculturated to, um, behave in certain ways. Absolutely. And conditioned patented. You know, let's face it, most of us, if not all of us, have been, you know, up until probably the age of seven, we're pretty much working on the same level.

Yep. And it takes a lot of effort and insight and knowledge and experience to break away from that e courage. Yeah. And that's what, well, I hope we get into that a bit more too, because I think there is a, I'm just intrigued to know how you can just so casually and almost as if Yeah. You know, you just detach and, you know, way you go, go and surf.

Because some of it, most people can't do that. Some of, some of the things that are being said is that I saw, saw something, you know. Very serious, what I would consider extremely serious last night. And, um, to be able to detach from that is, is, is I, I'm listening to you and it's the best response. I'm, I'm so open to hearing this and I think this is wonderful, but like Danny said, I would, Ima, you know, very difficult for most people to have that response.

Yeah. I, I, I'll, I'll interject here and, and

we need to be careful. I should even, that, that saying's wrong. You've stirred the studio up. This is great. This is good. In a good way. I'll go, I'll go back to the language of the vocabulary that you're using at the moment. 'cause I've just heard from both of you. It's difficult, it's hard, it's an effort, it's a huge thing.

You know, these, these are just spells that we've created for ourselves That everything FF to,

why does everything have to be difficult and hard? For you to, it, it doesn't. No, no, no. And, and you also said most people, you know, I, I would, I would invite you to rephrase that or contemplate when we take on that position where we know what most people are doing, you know, because it's such a, it can be such a trap for us because, because you are taking ownership of, of everybody else and, and how you think it is for them.

You know, it, it's, and I'm, I'm, I'm not trying to be a prick here or anything like that. No, I think you're right by, by the way, I'm not taking it like that. I'm actually, I'm this guy. I'm, I'm genuinely listening to you and finding this fascinating 'cause you are correct. I'm actually, what I'm really telling you is me.

Yeah. I'm not tell, I say I might say most people, but really Yeah. Protecting you're, you're a hundred percent cor Correct, Pete. I'm expressing my feelings and making an assumption that that's everyone else's feelings. But really my feelings are I've seen something that I imagine I would really trigger me, would upset me.

I'd hate for people to associate with me with something like that or be against me. So then I'm bringing that to the table and, and assuming that most people will respond like that and you are not. So now I'm questioning you, but you're so, you're a hundred percent right and I love everything you're saying.

Well, I'm a hundred percent right for me, you know, and, and then yeah, for you. And I guess what this brings up for me from hearing, um, both of you talk. Is about fear of judgment, you know, because that is, can be a huge fear for most people, you know,

can be. Well, I, I've, I've read books that would, um, they've had the observation that some of our greatest fears in life that have been documented is fear of public speaking, fear of being judged, fear of death, fear of abandonment, fear of being alone, fear of our. Infinite potential or unlimited potential, you know, which is why people may sabotage themselves when they're starting to go up the ladder because it's whatever the ladder is for, for them.

Denise, Denise can tell you a story about this. Yes, yes. We, we discussed this this morning. Trev is really, really providing those insights. So, so when we can identify what our individual fears or self limitation beliefs are around our reality, you know, that's the invitation to go, well, why have I sabotaged myself in this relationship or this career, or this endeavor?

Or why did I not accept that promotion or that date to go out with somebody that I thought maybe was above my, my, uh, pay grade or something like this? What, where are my limiting self beliefs? I was watching a great, um, series last night with my wife. Uh, it's the third time I've watched it. It's Tom Hardy's, uh, produced TV series called Taboo, and I dunno if anybody's ever watched it, but it's, it's only one series and it's, it's fascinating.

And the thing that I picked up the most in that series over the last few nights of watching it, is the, the main protagonist, the main, the main character, Tom Hardy. Um, he keeps continuing to face his fears. Like he wants to really dive into facing the fears. And it, it's an invitation where we find these limiting self beliefs.

You know, and I'm not saying you have to do it, you know, I would never tell anybody what they should do in their, in their, um, reality. But that is one of the things that I have been very, very curious about. Whether it be my fear of sharks, fear of public speaking, fear of being judged, fear of death. All of these things.

And when I find these, um, uh, issues, issues, it's a shit word. But, um, when I find these, um, imbalances that still create a sense of fear or doubt, I like to then, what is it? What are the best tools that I have available to me if I've got them at the moment? Or do I need to go on a, on an adventure to work out what there is out there in the, in the, in this reality to help me as a tool, whatever it may be, they found to, to, to delve deeper into that, why am I still fucking a little bit shaky in this part of my, my life?

You know? So that's what I like to do. You know, I sort of, I get off on it, but, but you've just described the process. So my earlier question was how did you get to this point? You've actually just described the process. Yeah. You want to, and are obviously keen to challenge your fears, to explore them, to discover them, and to challenge them so that they don't limit you and that you can be free in your life.

That seems to be the process that you've, you've actually adopted. Yeah. Yeah. Can I, I wanna throw. Please do. I was gonna say, I'll throw, I'll throw something else out because not only the process, that's, that's cool. But also where that innate desire came from. So you and I first met kind of unknowingly when you were, um, uh, you were working for Vito, my best mate, you know, and you were, um, apprentice chef or something like that, and doing dishes when we'd come home with all our fish at 1130 at night and after the restaurant had closed and you'd be cleaning up.

And we, we first interacted then, but without really knowing we had, um, and then we, we came back together many years later at, on, no Motu and I walked onto this island That's crazy for sort of partying and no rules, no moto, it was called, it's the most incredible place. It's the most beautiful place to visit now to go on a surfing holiday.

You were. Creating the whole kitchen, you know, you were actually setting up the food. We'd had this idea with Benny Wilson and a couple of others that we were going to, um, create this different experience and the moto upgrade it. I was sort of bringing the, the, a little bit of the, you know, the spirit bit different, you know, a few different viewpoints.

And Ben says, I'll put Trevor in with Pete. So I walk into a tiny little room pretty about nine o'clock at night, and you are, there's two single beds side by side, and you are laying on the single bed. And I go, oh, Pete, I'm, I'm Trevor. You know? And we, and we kind of hadn't realized that we'd met earlier.

Anyway, you said to me, um, uh, oh mate, just to let you know, look, I'm not really into the partying on the on, I like to get an early night and everything else. So I just, I'm just hoping you can kind of, you know, um, keep it, you know, down and all that sort of stuff. I went, mate, don't worry, I haven't drank in 15 years or whatever it was.

And, uh, he was, so, he is basically saying, I wanna get an early night, keep it down at one o'clock in the morning. We're still talking to each other, going, just having the best time talking about life and everything he'd realize. So I just, I use that two examples because from that moment on, we went through some crazy things together and we've worked on different things.

But that, that Pete Evans that I walked into that room that was on that journey, that was the Pete Evans between the Apprentice chef. You know, um, Hugo's award-winning. You are the guy, you are the man mate. You are rocking around town. You had everything at your beck and call all the prettiest girls. You know, every, you, you basically were calling the shots.

Big time in that societal thing of winning. You are winning, you know, you brother, all that sort of stuff. So I'm interested in, before it gets to the process. Where did this spunk come from? This spark that said in you, no, I'm going down the wrong path here. I wanna wake up, I wanna change, I wanna do things differently.

Because you've got a, there's a challenging family upbringing. A young guy out on his own awards got the world at his feet. And then I walked into this guy that was ready. You had changed. You were ready to actually be your own person. And it was a whole process after that. Um, so tell us quickly about that.

What happened before the process? Where did this come from? What, what, what did you go through? Like, what made you want to be the Pete Evans we're talking to now based on what you'd experienced up until then? Wow. Alright. Um, that's huge. Okay. So. What, what, because there's, there's a real backstory here.

There is a backstory of how you became so con, so convicted in your journey here. There's something that brewed in you, the seeds that were planted. Well, one of the seeds was actually in that apartment in, in surface paradise that I shared. Um, I got a job as an apprentice chef to move outta home. That was my priority.

Gotta move out. Gotta leave the nest at 17. You know, I wish I had a left at 15, you know, uh, I love my mom, but, uh, we had a great, great time together, but I just knew I needed to be independent. You know, I wanted to do things, uh, by myself and, and, and explore that. And I remember in that apartment in Surface Paradise where I, I forget the street that it was in, but um, uh, I was share Thornton Street tho.

Yeah, I think it was Thornton thought it Ave. T Street. Yeah. Yeah. And um. Uh, I was, that was the one of my first places I lived, and I think it would cost me $27 50 a week because I shared a, a, a room, so with somebody else that was, that wasn't there very often. And I was working and I had my first LSD trip and, uh, ah, in, in that apartment, and I was 17.

And I'll never forget it. It was one of the most life-changing experiences for me, right. As a, as a very shy, uh, teenager stepping out of the world and having a, a heavy dose of LSD or acid. And I for Yeah. What happened? What did you see? Well, everything just expanded, you know, the, the veils of reality changed.

You know what I thought was real? Like anybody that's ever taken a a psychedelic, um, you realize very, very, very fucking quickly that what we are experiencing is, is a fraction of, of the unlimited potential that we can access. Yeah. And spectrum of light. Oh yeah. It was, I was like, wow. Like, wow, this is such a unique experience and a gift that I chose to, you know, full responsibility, accountability.

I'm not recommending psychedelics to anybody. You know, we all have our own journeys and that was one of the tools that really opened my awareness to, to other states of being. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I felt so small as an individual up until that point, and then that experience just expanded everything for me.

And over the coming decades, um, I, I have curiously sought out these types of experiences because they exist our brains for some reason. And our spirit, if you want to get woowoo, um, we have a relationship to this reality that can be very, very expansive and very, very challenging at the same time, but also very rewarding to our pursuit of, um, truth.

You mentioned the word truth right at the start. Our truth, our individual truth. And, um, so that has been a, um. Uh, something I've been very grateful, grateful to experience, and it's something that, um, you know, I respect in the most respectful ways as well. As I said, I, I don't recommend it. I would never tell anybody to do it, but for me, it's been a wonderful tool.

Mm-hmm. So what, what, when, um, that's early on. Yeah. And then you went through the, the stardom for a while there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Famous. Right? The famous, you were the, you were the guy. What did you notice about that? 'cause I know you've shared with me before things about that you viewed even the way we're cooking and what we're preparing and what we're all addicted to cooking and, you know, how much of this went in and there was a bit of an awakening around the role that food and nutrition mm-hmm.

Plays in our consumption and our, um, a compulsions in our addictions. And certainly the trap that we're in, we, we set a trap for ourselves. 'cause we just keep feeding from the same sort of energy. So what, what did you discover through Chefy and through that, um, fa famous period, you know, and your own experiences with that?

'cause I know you also wanted to turn your own health around and you noticed how unhealthy chefs were. So what, what was the, some of the impulses in there in the early days that set you off in this path? Early on, I, I was 19 and I, I discovered Tony Robbins work, Anthony Robbins and I went to one of his three day events on Sydney, in Sydney when I was 19.

And that, and that really, um, again, opened up my awareness. Because the things in his books and other people's books that I read voraciously for at the age of 19, 20 and onwards about self-help, self-improvement, um, spirituality. Uh, I did spiritual courses at the age of 20, 21, 22. I studied reiki. Mm. I studied massage.

I studied kinesiology. While I was also doing my chefing work, I was just fascinated by this world, Shery, shery. Mm-hmm. Uh, I was just fascinated the world of shery. I was fascinated more so about the spiritual and human potential side from a very young age of a, as a young adult, because we weren't taught, I wasn't taught that, that, that information at school.

Um, and I was just like, wow. There's, there's a whole world of information out here that can really benefit. I. Uh, individuals and, and pot, possibly populations. So, uh, so I, I went down the deep dive of all of that. Um, I remember going to transcendental meditation, doing the TCM course when I was 19, and then attending Street Chinmoy is, um, course when I was 20.

And then going into all of these different facets of that spiritual self-improvement world. And, and I loved it. You know, I, I was, I, I, I thrived in that experience. And at the same time, I also had a, a, a business and businesses that I was involved with, with my family, um, to be a chef. So what did that teach me?

The chefing side of the world taught me, um, resilience, uh, the, the amount that my body and mind and spirit. Could endure in a high pressure situation for a couple of decades, working 80 to a hundred hour weeks in a tiny box with other wow, um, misfits, and I use that term affectionately. Um, so, so that taught me to overcome my fear of, um, what is possible.

With the human body. And no doubt, Trev, that re you, you can re re relate to this as a professional athlete, you know, professional chefs push their bodies and minds and emotions to the extreme, like many, uh, different industries, often to breaking point. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is why a lot of chefs end up, um, not all, but some of us end up alcoholics, drug addicts, uh, uh, problems with relationships, the, and the, the, the list goes on and on and on, you know, and I got to experience all of that, which I'm so grateful for.

You know, I, I got to own a nightclub in King's Cross for 11 years during the peak of my sort of, uh, so-called fame. So I got to experience what owning a nightclub in King's Cross was like, and everything that, that sort of, I. Um, follows through from that identity and from playing that character. Yeah. And to experience it.

And King of King's cross. Oh yeah. I loved it. You know, so I got to experience that. And the TV world was such a, a huge invitation for me to face my fears of being seen and heard. Uh, that was probably one of the greatest, um, blessings for me to step on up to the plate, into that arena because up until that time I was very happy in my box with my team of chefs in the restaurant industry.

You know, I, I, I moved up the ladder to gain confidence, face my fears of being a leader in that industry. And then when television came along to be invited to, to be a part of that, that was my greatest fear at that particular point in time because. Uh, that was a whole new level of being seen and then being judged.

So that was a great apprenticeship for me and it took me many, many, many, many years of persistence and, and using the tools that I could find to help navigate my way through that process of fear. And my whole intention was get to get to a place of neutrality where I could speak on a stage in front of a thousand people or be on a television show watched by millions of people with no, um.

No hesitation or fear or insecurity in how I would be judged or what I would say, or how it would be perceived, which is where I'm at now. Um, with, with you guys. Like, you know, two minutes, I'll get in two minutes before I, I, I don't care what I say. I don't care what I look like. Yeah. I don't care who hears this.

I don't, you know, and, and I shouldn't say I don't care. That's probably the, the, the, the, you're not concerned, you're not worried. I'm, I'm not worried about being judged. I'm neutral to what, whatever flows from this or any of those things that I got to that point of neutrality because that's always my goal.

Can I get to that point where I cannot, will not be swayed emotionally by external forces? That that's, you know, and, and I'm not fanatic about it, but, but I'd like to play with that. Um, play, play with that. I guess adventure is, is probably the best thing. So, and then to answer, treat it like a game and see it as an opportunity.

And yeah. And then to answer your question about the, the health side of things, um, I've always been fascinated by this. And it wasn't until, um, a few major upheavals in my life and then I discovered my beautiful wife, Nicola, and she was reading a wonderful book called Primal Body, primal Mind. And she, she invited me to read it.

So I read it and all of a sudden things just every, all bypass sort of 20 years in the kitchen. And my past experiences facing those fears, it, everything just sort of locked into play. So I was like, got it, got it. Thi this, I could see it. And, and we all have this, um, skill and, uh, gift, if we want to call it that, where we know when things are perfectly in flow for us.

And sometimes when we are looking back through our life, we, we are not sure of the reasons why we're being invited to go through these adventures and challenges that we, we perceive as challenges. But once we can get to that place of then, and it happened to me when I read that book, I was like, got it. I, I, I can see the future, but I also saw the past of everything that I've been through.

Like, okay, sweet. Now how do I change my thinking to. That way for the rest of my being, like how? How can I stay in that state of trust, acceptance, surrender to everything that is happening to me? Because I know from this experience that it is always, as you said before, Trev, it is working for me and I'm creating the experience perfectly for myself at all times.

And that took. Tw. It took 40 years for me to get to that point. You know, it's 38, 38 years to get to that point of like, got it. You know, if you ever wondered what a healthier, stronger future you might look like with Melrose's Future Lab, Australia's first longevity supplement range, you can now optimize your health span routine by supporting cellular energy, metabolic wellbeing, and muscle maintenance as well as much, much more.

And you can find this range at Chemist Warehouse and leading health food stores. I hope people feel that 38 year overnight success, you know, that, uh. That interesting. 'cause that answers the question very much about, um, when we came back together in that period, you just, you, that's the shift you were going through.

It was like, ah, because you went, oh, paleo chef and you started inviting people out of the programming and the thinking that was most commonly applied in society. Oh, you eat this way, you do this. Oh, that's good for you. We've got sitting on here on the table, we've got best of the bone, bone broth. But also, you know, tello, right?

It's just an example. These are products that we've, we playing. That's you by the way. I'm gonna give these you, I'll bring these for you, mate. But, um, but we, we've got these things and it's like, these are things that we're actually poo hooed and No, no, no, no. And, and we've been taken into these margarine societies and other sort of things, you know, just to use an example, right?

So. When you, in the world of Chefy, I'll use that term again. You, um, you won awards, right? You had, um, you know, um, chef's hats, you know, I think World's Best Pizza, you know, like crazy, you know, crazy experiences that you and your family had and what you did. So you were the best at what you're doing. You were right up at the best of it.

Then you went into my kitchen rules. And that was 11 seasons, I think. And that was, that was also the best, that was the highest rated, um, uh, reality show on tv. So everything you've touched has kind of been number one and the best, but it seemed to be when you were doing things that were acceptable to the norm and acceptable to society, it was okay to be the best.

It was okay to be the best chef and, you know, play under those rules. It's okay to be the best TV presenter and have everyone laughing over dinner parties and oh, have the, you know, they pick the, the, um, participants on the show because that one's a bit psychologically dodgy. And that one's a little bit, so they want, they want some conflicts.

So it was okay for you to be the best. When you weren't rattling too many cages, you know, but when you started to rattle the cages of, whoa, you wanted to be the best for others and bring the best health through, and you're on an exploration with that, and when you started to do that, you seemed to, that's when it invited this, you know, I said before you stirred the studio, but you stirred up the studio of life.

You know, you started saying things with your voice and your millions of followers that they would go, oh, Pete says this, you know, and it was coming from the heart and oh wow, that can help this, that can help autoimmune diseases. This can take type two diabetes. It can help with that. It's started to rattle the status quo.

So I wonder whether there's, you know, some comment you wanna make of your experience that when all of a sudden you were aiming to be the best at bringing through great information that would. Perhaps change the world. I know we could pull that apart too, but, um, but change the status quo and change the predominant thinking.

You then that invited the turmoil, the, the things that started to occur that the, the rug got tipped and the cockroaches ran out from underneath. Do you wanna, do you feel like there's an appropriate statement there, um, about what you observed and what you discovered about the status quo and about this?

'cause you've, you've become a great observer. What did you notice about it? What was the qualities that came back at you, um, when you started to say, oh, I wanna be the best at giving over advice that might change someone's life? Long question, but I, I know, you know why I set it up that way. Yeah. Well, cockroaches serve a purpose, don't they?

Right. Okay. Next question. Now you keep going. No, no, but fill me with this one because. Again, it, the rattling of the cages or the perceived rattling of the cages, you know that, that mm-hmm. It was never the intention, you know, that was just the, the, the reaction to the, those cages being rattled. 'cause it wasn't really about rattling the cages.

I, I, I don't get up every day and go, fuck, I wanna rattle those coaches, you know, you know, that would be, you know, a perpetrator, you know, and, and that's that. Yeah. A stir. A shit stir. Yeah. And, and, and I can be antagonistic. It's part of my personality, you know. It is. You know, I, I I will not deny that I can play the antagonist, you know, I can play, can occasionally be prickly.

I can play all the roles, you know, that. And, and that is our, our, our birthright. You know, that is what we are here to experience. We are here to. Play it all. I I in, you know, we are here to be cheeky, we're here to be mischievous, we're here to be kind, we're here to be caring. We're here to be an asshole.

We're here to fucking do it all, you know, and to experience all, all at the same time. You know, life would be pretty bland if, if we were just sitting there getting to perhaps evolve from it all doing ums all day, or boring as well if we're just shouting at everybody. Yeah. You know, like the truth of movement that, that that's out there sometimes, you know, every, everything's a threat, so I have to bang the nail all, every single day because I'm just looking for, for conflict in my life.

So something to oppose. So going back to the cockroaches, everything exists perfectly all the time, you know? And, um, I, I think the, the mainstream media, for instance, or the people that got agitated through sharing of, of recipes or sharing of anecdotal stories of people. Uh, putting their autoimmune immune disease into remission or reversing type two diabetes or becoming healthier and vibrant, um, there is definitely a, uh, a force.

Yeah. Again, I, I, I, I, I, it's only a force for those that choose to believe that it's a force. Yep. Right. It, it, it exists. And I think because you had a platform, you, you, so I've, I had Graves disease. I've, I've put myself into remission and I do this with my patients through, you know, nutritional medicine and lifestyle.

And, you know, I see this firsthand all the time. This is not uncommon, but I guess I don't have the same platform as you and, um, have not received that kind of, um, backlash. Again, I know that's a word that you probably don't like, but still in my repertoire and I'll, I'll grow. But, you know, these things happen.

But I guess you have put it out to the mainstream. And I guess what you're doing too is when we think about the conventional medical model, the reality is. People are concerned that perhaps you are giving misinformation, like some, that, that is not, that is not the norm. So for example, with thyroid autoimmune disease, you can recover, but doctors are taught in medicine.

The only way to deal with that is with a medication. So it's going against true beliefs, and then people sort of reacted in a, in a certain kind of way. So you're telling the truth and we see it. I, I've experienced it, but people need to do the work. And it's just, yeah, it, it's, I guess, triggering for some, some people.

And you had a platform where you were able to provide information to so many people, and I guess that, that created a lot of questions and then concern and, and, um, yeah. I mean, as I said, I, I don't know the, the ins and outs of it. Um, but challenge the control. Yeah. You know, the, the, the predominant thinking or level of consciousness was pretty convenient and controlled, and there's people profiting it's challenges, all sorts of different things, but it certainly shook up, you know, the cockroach thing.

When do you see cockroaches? When you don't, you don't realize you have them and you. You know, but you come out in the middle of the night for some reason 'cause the kids are crying and you turn the light on and they're everywhere, you know, and they're all scamper back to the darkness, you know? And I, so I think just using that analogy of, even from a frequency point of view, that there are, you know, certain intentions or, um, things that exist that, that wanna feed off of society or feed off of light.

And until you shine the light on it, you don't even know it's there. You know, it's like, uh, oh, someone says that, uh, hey, this would, you could heal that autoimmune disease. And then it goes and they start scampering everywhere. You know, that's, that's, we've gotta wake up anyway. But, um, but that's kind of how I see it.

But, sorry Pete, we cut you off. No, it, it's all good. And I, I, I believe that this period of, of time, you know, is, is beautiful as you said, shining the light. So to speak. Mm. You know, I'm grateful that they keep creating these stories because it creates debate awareness. When they do a story on me, for instance, in, in the mainstream papers.

I'll go on because as the observer, 'cause I'm interested to seeing what's the reaction out there and. We, we'll do a great, uh, example on news.com. For instance, if they do a story, uh, about me, I'll go onto their Facebook page just to see how it's received, and they'll have 600 to a thousand comments on that one story for the day.

And I'll, I'll go down the Facebook page and the next story might be about the Royals and that might have 50 comments. And the next one might be about Russell Crow, and that might have 10 comments. And then there's another one about the Prime Ministers having a debate and there might be 20 fucking comments.

And I'm like in this interesting that the story about myself still is creating so much, um, interest and debate and conversation and awareness around. For some reason. Right. This is fascinating and interesting to people, to, for them to share their opinion. Like it's, it's, it's, as the observer, it's pretty wild when you see that, it's like, what is that?

What, what? And, and you know, the comments are varied. You know, some are in support, some are, uh, against me. And it's like, wow, like this is really, um, a fascinating thing to observe that, that for some reason this energy is, is attracting so many different viewpoints and it, it's taking center stage. Mm. Yeah.

And again, trust, accept, surrender, all the dots have been joined. It's playing out perfectly because as the observer I'm like, wow, like. Uh, this is important for me. I believe it's important information, you know, whatever political parties in, in, you know, it's two birds of the same, or two wings of the same bird to a degree in this country.

Mm-hmm. Um, with slight differences, but here we have people taking an interest in self ownership of their health. And then we have others that are definitely still wanting mommy medicine and, and daddy pharmaceuticals to look after them. And daddy doctors, you know, whether you're a woman or a man, doctor, you know, and I, and I'm not dismissing doctors that I've always said, modern medicine, ancient wisdom.

That's, that's holistic medicine. And I would never dismiss model medicine and doctors because that would be, um, arrogant of me and ignorant of me and just it, it would mm-hmm. We have unlimited possibilities in which we can access the tools for us to create a, um. Uh, the life in which we choose to create.

Mm-hmm. Right? And some people will use the modern medical system and pharmaceuticals because that's the tool they believe in. Others will go to more a natural route because that's what they believe in. Uh, I, I would never tell anybody to dismiss either of them because your story, as you, as the individual, everything that's happened in your life and your, and your ancestors has led you to this point.

And your story is your medicine. Once you can analyze your story, your beliefs, you know, then you can access potentially, whether you need the modern medicine route because of your belief system. Right. Or you take, again, a different point of view and go, you know what? I might like El McPherson. Recently she released her book where she took a natural route because that was her belief.

Our beliefs like, um. Someone like Bruce Lipton, he's written books about it and documentaries about it. The bio, our biology of belief. Biology of belief, yeah. Out powers, everything, everything, everything. You can eat all the organic, beautiful food that I can recommend to you, but if you are in a shitty relationship that you are finding, whether it be at work or at home, and you have dis-ease because of these situations that you have created for yourself by choosing that job or choosing that partner or deciding to have children or the list goes on and on, again, self full ownership, full accountability of, of where you are in your life, right?

Then you can still suffer disease. You know, food is just a tool. Yeah. That's the mental, emotional, spiritual, energetic state. Food is a tool and we all know, you know, people smoke, drink, eat, junk food. They live to a hundred. What's their story? You know, they probably have full, they're, they're probably expressing themselves authentically.

Whereas somebody else might go down the organic route, go down the medical route, have cancer at a young age or whatever it is. Perhaps they are living a reality in which they still have fears or insecurities about who they are and what they're willing to express. 'cause that is our pur for me, this is what I believe our purpose in life is, is we are all unique individuals with unlimited potential to express ourselves in whatever creative means.

That brings us joy and passion. You know, I don't not believe we, we have purpose to. Help anybody else or change the world or do anything where you're just here to express ourselves our unique talents and gifts. And if we don't know what they are, then that's a great question, mark of curiosity, to discover what brings you joy and find those things that bring you joy to fill your cup up so you're fucking brimming with vitality and happy and then, and then that may have a ripple effect to others in your community or not.

You know, no expectation on what you are here to do, you know, because you are just here to be your authentic self, however that is. Whatever that is. But before we move on, it's something that has been played a beautiful riff, by the way. Rift away beautifully. I love that. Absolutely. Go. Thank you. Sorry for the rant.

It's wonderful. We do wanna get to some other topics, but there something that I do need to ask because it's, it's been raised a couple of times in what you've been saying and I am gonna paraphrase, but it is something along the lines of my truth that you have your truth. I have my truth and maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but I suppose.

I, I sometimes question whether that's actually a reality is so, is there an absolute truth? And I think that this is very much in the vernacular. Now. I have my truth. You have your truth. And I see that what that actually results in is everyone walks around with their own truths. We actually don't have a cohesive society to work with.

'cause everyone's working in their own bubbles. It can be, is there an absolute truth? It be an excuse? Is there something that we can all agree on that this is true? And we're all sort of existing within an, you know, this, this, uh, sphere of truth that is unquestionable. It's another whole podcast you've opened up here.

Yeah, sorry. But it's just been coming up again and again and it's just, I'm just, yeah. Yeah. I think I used the word truth because if we all have our own truths, then none of us will agree on anything and we don't have a society. Well, yeah. Yes and no. Uh, truth, truth is such a, um. A fascinating word, you know, and especially when we apply it to ownership of oneself and identity, it's yeah.

That, that can be a very diff uh, slippery slope to, to take on. So, truth for me, yeah. To answer your question, is there an absolute truth? The absolute truth is that we are, you know, beings of unconditional love that cannot to be, be ever debated. I do, I do not think, you know, um, as far as individual truths though, of who we are and our truth, I would prefer not to use that terminology.

I think our, our experience is a better, um, possible definition. You know, this is my experience, or this is my, my, um, adventure, you know? 'cause truth, once we have absolutes, you know, I, there's, there's, there's a great. Saying that I read a long time ago, it was like, once you believe in an absolute truth or absolutes be prepared to have your reality shattered.

And uh, yeah. So I believe we have unlimited potential, unlimited possibilities. We all have that, that is the absolute truth. And we have the individual experience of who we are and our beliefs that nobody else will ever have because it is unique to you. And then underneath all of that is that state on remembrance of unconditional love.

And for me it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's a work in progress to. Reside in that space. You know, I will be honest with, with youi, in my experience, I, I, I still judge and I still get triggered and I still do this, but then it's an invitation back. Like, come on, you know, come back, you know this, you know, and then the ego goes off on another journey.

You know, this, settle down Mr. Evans, let it, let it go. Settle down, let it go. And, and, and that, that's what you were there on Na, motu to share Trev, I, I'll never forget it, when we, you were teaching me how to kite surf, you know? Yep. The three words. Let it go. Fucking let it go, dude. Stop trying to control the wind.

Stop trying to control. You have to let it go and trust, you know, and so that's the. And that's the balance or the um, and I think that's why I'm foil surfing at the moment over the last year or two, and I explained it to a fellow in the car car park today. I said, if you've ever been on a slack line, you know that is all about finding your balance.

I said learning to foil surf is being on a slack line for an hour or two, especially if you've got the motor on the foil drive. And it is just 100% pure presence about finding your own balance in this, this ever changing environment and all the shifting dynamics. Yeah. And, and I've, I love it because I fall off, like today I fell off 50 times.

I like still haven't found your balance yet. Mr. Evans, you know, it's another invitation. Can you find your balance in this very shifting environment, this very challenging environment? You know, I'm like, and every day I'm like, I'm getting a little bit better. I'm getting a little bit better, I'm getting a little bit more present.

I'm getting to really feel into this adventure of finding balance. And some people do it through art. You know, they find their balance and their harmony through art. Some people do it through music, some people do it through the gardening. Some people do it through writing their journals or, or creating a, a new book for people to read.

Some people find their harmony and balance through raising children or going through the harmony and balance of losing a loved one or suffering a hardship in their life, or a challenge, you know, how do we find that balance for stability, for groundedness and, and understand that, you know, it's a moving field and sometimes we will go, go off balance, you know, but that's the invitation to find out what that is, to straighten ourselves back into that harmonic, uh, resonance of who we are.

You know, it it, and the, I'll say this, you know, I, I see it so often, so social media, which is one of the things that still triggers me. You know, people have this concept that we have to wake up or we have to ascend to be. Enlightened and awakened and saying, now there, there is nobody on this fucking face of this planet that is more enlightened or awakened than anybody else.

Everybody is you, is exactly the same in that respect, in my belief. You know, because your life challenges are exactly what you have created for you at that particular time to experience what it is, right? Yeah. You know, you do not need to meditate half an hour a day to be ascended or enlightened, you know, like, especially if you fucking dislike it, that's why would you do something that you dislike?

Like that's just setting yourself up for, for stress the promise of enlightenment. Yeah, exactly. So, so I, I, I like to see this game that we're all playing as, as a game. How do we play it with the tools that are available to us, to the, to, to how, how much enjoyment can I get out of this experience? Because that, for me is my goal.

I want to enjoy this experience for as long as possible, which is why I choose to look after my diet, which is to, I choose to do the activities and be surrounded or, or, or alone at certain periods of time to be around for as long as I can because this show, this game is the fucking best thing that I could ever have wished for.

Ever. Mm-hmm. Which is why we're here, I believe. You know, it's, we actually ask this question with everybody. We say, look, if, if with all of our information, we put it together and you're able to get an extra 10, 15, 20 years of great living, why would you want it? What would you do with it? Do you feel like you just answered that question and saying, 'cause I just love this fucking show and I wanna be around for it, you know, as it evolves.

Is that, is that why you wanna be around longer? Well, well, it's a, it's two parts to that because, one, I wanna observe it 'cause I find it so entertaining. I find, uh, being in nature just so exciting and nourishing and beautiful. I love cooking and sharing a meal with my wife, or if she cooks it for me or spending time with my children.

I, I, I love it. And at the same time, I'm fascinated, as you probably know, by the geopolitical state of the world as well. Like, I, you know, in a way that I can watch it without being react. Reactionary or reactive to it, or, or emotionally attached to any outcome, right. Of what? Well, if you step back and just have a look at it from a big picture, you, you do get the sense that, okay, we are evolving into something.

Mm-hmm. It's all stirring. It's like a bigs pot seems to be brewing and mixing. It's like a cooked, a meal being cooked. And, and the second part to that is we in all get to contribute to it. You know? And whether that's a con contribution on a larger scale or just a, a, a very small scale, and it doesn't matter, you know, it, it really roll an ingredient in the stew.

Yeah. So we're, we're, we're co manifesters in this reality. Mm. Right. And, and isn't that so? That is so powerful. Like, some days I was like, you know, I, I don't feel like. Co-creating anything in the external. I like this, I, I'm just gonna buckle down here and just do my own thing. Whereas right, right now I'm in this creative process again, it hasn't come to me for the, probably the last four or five years, but over the last six months, this, this creative expression is just bursting at the seams.

It's like, I, I'm doing this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. And at the back of my mind, I'm like, yeah, I'll probably, uh, this will probably play out for the next year or two for me. And then I'll probably hibernate into mm-hmm. What I've created again. 'cause I've FI have fallen into the trap before where I, I felt like I needed to just create content for the external to be relevant, you know, ego and, uh, business minded and, and entrepreneurial.

Mm. So I've ha great opportunities. I've, I've, I've, I'm learning to dance with this, this, um. Letting it go, but then trusting it when it comes that creative external expression, you know, and, and I, and, and it is a dance. It's such a beautiful dance. It's 'cause you can't push it too, too hard. But when it, when it's flowing, it's like the taps open.

It's just let, let's go. And then sometimes it's just drip, drip, drip, or it's fucking dry. It's like, and before I used to try to force the tap to open of creative expression, whereas now when it is just dripping or, or runs dry, I, I, I sit back and just go, cool, you know, I, I'm not meant to be doing this at this particular point in time and nobody needs me.

One of the things, and nobody needs me to be doing this either. Yeah, you're not, you're not tied to it. I'm not that important. One of the things that often. And one of the things that was often said about you, Pete, was when you were challenging the status quo with health, people would often say, have you looked at his eyes?

Have you seen his health? Have you seen his face? Have you looked at the guy? Like, we look at him, he's a picture of health, you know, and then the doctor that's saying he's off track. He'd, you know, be overweight and struggling. He'd be like, he was a perfect example. You've just recently gone and spent some time with Donald Trump and RFK Jr.

Who's another person that's been, why are we listening to this guy over here that looks so unhealthy? And then you've got RFKs stepped into the health role, make America healthy again. Um, and 70 years of age, or getting close and ridiculously healthy, strong. He was well into his seventies. He is a real weapon, you know?

Yeah. He's, he's absolutely incredible. Um, you've spent time with him before. I've spent a bit of time with him. How was it this time, catching up with those guys? Just, uh, as we wrap this up, any brief experience that you wanna share of what the, what the pulse felt like? Yeah. I, I didn't meet. Uh, Bobby this trip?

Uh, he's busy. Okay. Could you imagine? Yeah. He's damn busy. Could you imagine learning healthcare system? Like I think about it like, okay, he's in charge of three agencies and all, all this sort of stuff with probably a hundred thousand employees. Like, you know, again, somebody that creates a reality. Like why has he chosen to create that, that experience for himself?

Only he knows that somebody like Trump. I went to my Largo and I, I had dinner there with a friend of mine who is a member, and, uh, Trump was there and Elon was there, and, uh, I got to shake their hands, you know, and that's all I said in my, my Instagram post. It wasn't like I had a sit down one-on-one, you know, catch up.

Could, could you imagine their experience of reality that, that they have mm-hmm. And are going through it at this time? So I, I sit back as the observer just going, wow. Like, what if these, what, what is their manifesting? Um. Uh, strengths to position themselves into these roles. Like, I, I can't even fathom what that, I'm not at that, that stage and, and I actually have no desire to be at that stage yet, or ever.

I don't know. You know, it's just like, wow. I, I like, I love my life as it is. I love going for a surf for two hours a day and then hopping on the mower and cooking, cooking dinner and, and doing a little bit of work these days. 'cause I feel like I've worked a lifetime already after working 80 to a hundred hour weeks for 20 years at a, in a, in kitchen.

So, so part of me is say, you know what, the, the grind for me, I've experienced it. I do not wish to create that for my experience ever again. Whereas I'm observing these, these individuals that you just spoke about, I'm like, fuck, they're in the grind. Like they're in the middle of Yeah, they're, they're, they're going hard in that reality and obviously they must thrive off that experience.

I've, at this particular time, what I thrive off is surfing, cooking great food, being with my wife, being with my kids, hanging out with my animals. Like, and that might sound like for some you've given up or you've retired or anything like that. I'm so freaking happy doing that. You know what, why would I create a new reality to be seen and be heard in a larger scale, which would deny me those opportunities that re I've, I, I, I know what makes me happy.

You know, so, so I dunno whether that answered your question, but I take my hat off to everybody on their journey, whether it be Trump, Elon, Kennedy, you guys, the, the person. D down at the IGA shopping that, filling their shopping trolley with whatever they're buying. You know, no judgment. Just like I celebrate you all on your journey.

Like have a ball. Like have a ball. Because one of the traps that you can fall into in the celebrity or fame world is believing that you are important and that you need to keep doing something for others. And I, many years ago, decided I will not be responsible for anybody else on their journey. It is not my responsibility or accountability or, because what that does is that.

But that belief takes away power from other individuals on their journey. Obviously you can be a guide, you know, and share recipes in my context. 'cause that's what I like to do. Whether people choose to replicate them or, or, or put them into their, into their, uh, family meals or individual meals. So, be it, take away the expectation.

Just do what makes you happy. So I I, I, yeah, it was great to witness those guys and, uh, women that I got to meet over there. Mm-hmm. But yeah, like, good on 'em. You, you do you, you do, you, you go, you go, I, I wanna, I wanna get surfing. Can I just say this has been so powerful and we thank you so much for your time.

This podcast is all about trying to help our listeners really gain more healthy years, not just about living longer, but actually having, you know, a more fulfilled, healthy, quality life. Um, we have lots of different speakers and um, I just feel that you've brought a whole other element to the show in this podcast and I've loved it.

Of course, we're thinking the holistic approach, the nutrition as we do the supplements for deficiencies, but I think, you know, mental health is such a big thing these days, social media, and you have just shared a way to think about things that might actually. Protect people from responding in a certain way that could actually cause them disease or ill health.

And, uh, I've just loved it and thank you so much. As I said, it's when we are thinking about true health and wellness, it is a combination for some of conventional medicine, nutrition, holistic approaches. But also one thing I've taken from this, or the most important thing is we choose our own reality. We, we create this and you have articulated it beautifully, and I, I actually think I'm gonna go back and listen to this.

Mm-hmm. Like, and, and just listen to you again. So thank you. A absolute pleasure. You've manifested change. Yeah. Um, I love you brother. I adore you as you know. Um, so beautiful to have you on our show. And I've been on yours a few times and we've had some fun. One of the things that I think's probably unrecognized under-recognized in you, you have the Evolve Network where you have incredible back catalog of interviews with amazing people.

So even just utilizing Pete as an opportunity to go and hear these other incredible people, because this man has people gravitate around him and to him that are the leaders in their fields and the world. And some of your conversations are just mind blowing. So I tell people, go check that out. Um, anywhere else they should go, mate.

'cause you, you really are on the edge of, you're constantly bringing things in and you do hand them on. I know you're lovingly enjoying farm life and everything else, but you do flick things onto people. You do an amazing job. Anything, anywhere else that people need to go to see your work. Uh, probably not.

I mean, I'm, I share recipes. My wife and I share recipes Nick on, uh, Instagram. So tune in there. Um, there's not really any, what's the handle, what's the handle on Instagram? 'cause you, you got knocked off of that for a while. Yeah. Chef Pete Evans. Chef Pete Evans. Yeah. It, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's it just nice little colorful page.

No, no controversy or conspiracies in there. Um, I felt like that, that, that stage of my, um, experience, especially, you know, leading up to COVID and then during COVID, that was, um, that was what my, um, gut told me to do. Whereas now I, I, I find that, you know, I sharing recipes again, it feels like. That's, that's what I should be doing.

Again, I, it should, but that, that, that's what feels right at the moment. So if you're looking for conspiracies and controversies, you probably won't find it with me. These these days. Not saying that it might not happen. Not saying it might not happen. The warriors become a guardian. It might happen again in the future.

I just saw the World Health Organization just signed. Have you seen that controversial recipe that pages, but you know what? You've done it for a purpose. Not just you, but you are helping people ask questions, and I think this is the time people are. Are ready for the, I feel this anyway. People are ready for this information now.

Perhaps because you were early on and spoke out, you know, before others, or b before others were wanting to open their mind. You were the one who, who was hit hard. Yeah. Yeah. We, you're gonna wind it up. Unfortunately, I'm, but I'm gonna bring you some stuff as an excuse to come and see you. You Best of the bone.

The original, the bone broth. Bone broth and the beef Tello. 'cause we know you like to cook with the curcumin one's. My fake turmeric. The turmeric one's my favorite. I bring some other stuff too, mate. But, uh, love you and, uh, thanks for being with us. Thanks so much. Love you all. And, uh, everybody. That's this thing.

Anything I said doesn't resonate, let it go. Let let, let it go. Let it go. See you guys. Thank.