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Welcome to Future Lab, where we explore the cutting edge of health span and longevity. I'm Danny Bin, and with me is my co-host, Dr. Denise Finesse. Hello everyone. How are you? I'm really well, and looking forward to chatting with our guest. I won't say who it is yet. No, well, we'll let Trev do that. So we've got our other cohost changing the world as usual before she came here, but yes.

How you going, Trev? Good. Good mate. Yeah, very good. Um, so good to be with you guys. And Danny, you're looking healthier and healthier every time I see you, so Yeah, I'm taking your lead mate. We'll talk about that time. You're inspiring. You know, you've got that spelt look. I thought, oh, how do I acquire that?

There you go. Um, but I'm so stoked today. Like we, I, I feel honored to do this podcast and to have you two guys as not just my co-hosts, but friends and, you know, amazing journey. We we're walking together. I've, I'm learning so much from you. Yeah, that's great. And I love it. You know, we love me. Me too. We love each other's company, so Yes.

But every now and then I get, uh, a moment, we get a moment to interview someone who I love and adore. And we've had a few of those. And this one today is I call, I often text her, Hey sis, you know, like, yeah, she's a sister to me. We've been Ocean Warriors together. She's an absolute sweetheart. She's an amazing, amazing human.

There's so much more to her than meets the eye. And, um, anyone who spends a little bit of time with her goes, whoa. Wow. That's incredible. So I'm so honored to have my great friend and beautiful, you know, ocean, um, warrior Sister, lane Beachley. Yay on with us today. Woo. Hey, Trav, if I'm ever having a bad day or a self pity party, you are the first person I have to call.

Yes. We've had our moments, haven't we? We've had moments where we've just been like, Hey, let's have a chat. Yeah. You know, like, let's, let's clear some shit. You know? Let's get it, get it all out. Um. Mate, I just want to tell the listeners that the very first time I came across you, and I'm not even sure how much I've relayed this to you, but was, you know, o obviously I was the Ironman on the circuit.

And when we're racing in around Sydney in middle of December, January often I'd go and stay there for a period of time and sometimes in the preseason and I'd stay with Craig Riddington or around the region, and Rito, lechy guy Leach myself, would all, um, we'd train together and hang out. And a lot of people thought I was from Manly.

A lot of people still call me Lechy. They, oh, leach Guy Leach. And same with Lechy. Like we text each other each time we go another one, you know, someone calls him Trevor Hend and I get Guy Leach and we'll get Lechy on one day. But, um, but uh, you know, we would go and hang down at the corso there and surf and hang out.

And one day I think you skated past, I'm thinking you skated past and I, and, and everyone was like, yeah, gi. Yeah, Gid. And because you got Gidget, right, which is from the old surf movie. And then I remember Rito turning to me and goes, that's, that's Lane Beachley. That's Lane, um, that's Gidget. Uh, she's gonna be a world surfing champion one day.

And you were super young, like you were. 'cause I'm f five years older than you, I think. And I think I was about 19 at that stage. So I reckon you were probably 14. Would that be roughly match up Manly? Yeah. 14, 15 maybe. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And because I, I was working at Leeches shop, so that's how they probably Yes, that's right.

And I'm guessing you skateboarding not rollerskating. Yes. Yeah, skateboarding. I was into rollerblading as well at that time, but I would, I would've been skateboarding for sure. Yeah, I reckon you roller bladed passed. Oh, there you go. I imagine. I imagine you're on the skateboard. I remember that would've been skating.

Skating, yeah. If you beach front. I was. I used to skate up and down that beach front all day long. Yeah, that's right. That was Manley Beach. That was Manley Beach. Yeah. Manley, you know, Bondi, manly surface paradise. Probably three beaches that have produced so many interesting stories over the years. So many people around the world go there, but Manly has got such a.

Such an incredible surf culture wrapped around it. So that was the first time I saw you and somewhat met you. Oh, hey, you know, like we got, I think we might have got introduced to someone like that, and you were just on, you were on a mission. I think you saw a sandbank in the corner you were trying to get to, or, or something like that.

But, um, but then, you know, right through our journey, it's been incredible. We've shared a lot of things over along the way. Um, and what I love about you, mate, is that you are, as I said before, you are so much more than what people would know and understand. You carry a whole essence with you. You are such a warrior for women.

Um, we'll get into that story a little bit because you pioneered the popularity of women surfing and you took it from almost like a co act and I'm, I'm being trying to not be disrespectful, but you took it from a co act to. Part of the main show. Like it was really incredible what you did. And you, I think you inspired a bunch of other amazing people like Steph Gilmore and Carissa Moore who both won a a bunch of titles.

You won seven World Championships, amazing, you know, um, L'Oreal, um, what is it Laureate Sports, sports person of the year, like of among all Sports International, you know, um, is, so, is it Lane Beachley? Am are you a member of the Order of Australia? Is that right? Or OAMO ai. Sorry, ao. Ao. So that's, that's, that's in some other stratosphere.

Um, but that's because of you, not only your surfing, but your service to sport, community, everything you've done. So I wanna ask you a question to open this up, and that is your resilience, your heartiness, your soul, your depth, um, is incredible. Thank you. Where did it come from? Has something happened earlier?

I know there's some stuff that you may or may not wanna talk about. Has something happened earlier that's made you so damn strong? Where's it come from? First, first question before we get into the story, let's just hit it hard. Woo. Yes. Where, where has this spunk come from? Sister, look, I, when I think about you ask about resilience and what were the other things you were talking about?

Debt debts. I did say debt, hardiness, youness, strength, hardness, you know, hardness, spunk, uh, competitiveness. I feel like each one of those layers has come from a different moment in time. I wasn't just born with all of those characteristics. I was definitely born with a competitive spirit, or definitely inherited one growing up in a male dominated household, in a male dominated sport, in a male dominated world, and decided to find my place within all of that because I didn't allow it to dictate the terms of my life.

To me, I deter, I was determined to find my position in that. Well, but the, the resilience obviously has come from, well, not obviously because that's why you're talking to me, but I feel the resilience has come from a variety of different experiences and having the, the audacity and also the confidence to bounce back from those challenges, you know, from, oh gosh, uh, starting as a 4-year-old, learning how to surf in manly.

To then, um, you know, as a 5-year-old paddling out the back and, and challenging the boys on my foamy, I surfed a foamy for the first nine years of my surfing life. That's right. I didn't know that I would forward till I was about 14, which was a pretty late trend, uh, transition for anyone. That's a lot of, that's a lot of years of foamy rash, by the way.

Yeah, totally. Yes. I should have started with one of those. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I wore a one piece just to protect my stomach. 'cause it used to get so rashed up and then when I was, uh, seven years of age, I lost my, my mother who, um, she went into hospital for cosmetic surgery and died of a brain hemorrhage on the operating table.

Oh. So when I was seven, I had the deep misfortune of losing my mother and I remember dad telling me that she's gone and I'm just feeling that deep sadness and overwhelm and. Uh, and then feeling the need to break that cycle of sadness. I jumped on my skateboard and rendered the top of the hill and just kept riding down it as fast as I possibly could.

Wow. Uh, just, yeah, just to, um, bring myself back into my body. And then the next year, that's when dad told me I was adopted. So I was an 8-year-old learning of my adoption, shattered my sense of self and my world really, because, you know, our deepest burning desire in all, every single one of us is to feel like we belong.

Mm-hmm. And the dad, the minute dad told me I was adopted, I no longer felt like I belonged anymore. I felt this. Just earth, earth, shuttering, ka boom. But I felt like almost like a bit of a lie. Like it's a bit of a, like it's all not real or something, you know? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But the challenge was not the fact that he was telling me it was what I was tuning into.

So I stopped tuning into what he was saying and started tuning into what I was thinking. And what I was thinking was the complete opposite of what he was saying, because I was in a survival mode mechanism, and I was looking to protect myself. So he was saying, and my baby girl, you've always belonged to this family.

I was hearing, I've been abandoned, rejected, and I'm undeserving of love. Mm-hmm. And those stories drove me for a very long time. And I still have this underlying fear of rejection as it seems to be a common denominator through most adoptees. And, and I spiral into dark states of, of depressive episodes and.

Uh, anxiety and overwhelm when I'm, when I'm depleted of energy, but also when things haven't perhaps gone my way or have experienced something. That's really, really important to me and I feel like I've let myself down and let other people down so. I'm familiar with those states and, and I, I stay in them probably for a little bit too long, but at least I'm aware of it, so I'm managing it.

Um, that's why I can't wait to listen to Pete's episode because I think we can all learn from feeling that sense of rejection and then how we not only protect ourselves, but preserve ourselves to help us propel ourselves forward and, uh, and not staying stuck in those moments because, uh, it's really easy to stay there.

It's really easy to either suppress, numb or avoid. And that's, um, that's the easy way out, but that's what also causes the long-term progression and, and, um, the long term severity of the pain and the depression and anxieties that leading to all these mental health issues and stop you moving forward. Did you have any, um, any sense of that in your memory before your father told you?

Was there a vague sense? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, there was a vague sense because my brother and my dad were both six foot two, I was three foot nothing when I was eight years age. Now I'm five foot five, so, you know, I don't really look too much like my family. They're tall, they're white skinned. Um, my dad has like blue eyes, but my brother has brown eyes.

They're both got dark hair. And when I was a young kid I was, you know, three foot dark olive skin, bright blue eyes, bright blonde hair. So I looked very different to the rest of my family. So that struck you, even then, you just had a, a, a sense that you looked different. You, you were a little bit apart. Yes, it struck me, but I didn't question it.

Right. And, well, I didn't start questioning it till the kids around the street started questioning it. And that's what inspired dad to sit me down and, and give me the information. Because if kids were asking the questions, then I'm gonna start asking questions. Yeah. 'cause I was gonna say, I mean, he told you quite soon after your mother passed away, so that seemed like Yeah.

You know, a double whammy there. It was a double whammy. Absolutely. And, and I, I don't think he was seeing it from that point of view at all. Yeah. He was just seeing the fact that the kids were starting to ask questions. I was starting to ask questions. Mm. It was time to sit me down and tell me the truth, but upon reflection, it was just too late to tell me the truth.

At eight years of age, my brain has already developed the capacity to judge, to criticize, to analyze, to wrap stories and meanings around information. Tell me earlier, tell me the truth earlier so I can establish an element of trust and confidence in, uh. In the, the information, but also the way in which it's shared with me.

So then I can decide how I respond. But because my brain hijacked me, I wasn't able to decide now I was just hijacked by my, by my limiting beliefs, by my fear, um, by my intrinsic drivers. And then that's essentially what drove me to become a six times old champion surfer. Yeah. I, I know you've, um, processed this quite a lot, and one of the things that I find defining in you and the time that we do spend together is your heart.

You have a beautiful heart. You've, you're actually a very beautiful, gentle human being. You know, it's very easy to be around you. We can have a giggle on a laugh and whatever, and share. Once we've caught up on seriousness, we can generally have a, you know, um, so saying that like. The fact that it wasn't told earlier has then set you up for a bit of a lifetime of learning about this and dealing with this.

Is there a silver lining you, because you love to give to others, you love to stand, you love to teach, you love to actually offer your wisdom so wisely. Has there been some sort of perfection in this whole thing that it's caused you to learn some things that actually allows you to help others? Like what's, how's it been a silver lining?

How's it worked out to be a positive thing for you? In what ways? Uh, well, like you said, Trev, it's, it's given me a very sound. S lived, personally lived and experienced platform to then share these learnings. The whole reason that I share the stories that I share, whether it's the highs of my life or the lows of my life, is to help people feel less alone in their struggles.

Mm. And that's because I have done the work. I've, I've done a lot of emotional work, a lot of internal healing. Um, I'm very reflective and introspective and I like to uncover the, the lessons and the, the learnings from these 'cause then I can move on. I, you know, I have that mentality that if I'm not winning, I'm learning.

Mm. And I'm not winning all the time. So I'm obviously, as we all are learning a lot, and I like to then take those learnings, distill it into a lesson that I can then teach others. And that's where all of my teachings come from. So the silver lining in, in the whole adoption episode and losing my mother so young is helping me boost and build my own, in my own resilience and my intestinal fortitude to overcome those challenges, to learn strategies and, and tools that I can then teach other to others to address or overcome their challenges and their setbacks.

'cause trauma is trauma. Pain is pain. Um, suffering is suffering and we all experience it, but there's a, a multitude of ways to overcome it. So, um, amazing story. And the, the silver lining's very obvious 'cause the, you're becoming an incredible. Woman, you know, human being. What, um, tell us a little bit about when you did find out, and any part of this that you, you're comfortable sharing or not, that's up to you.

But, um, but there was a desire to, the natural desire to find your biological mother to actually tap back into all, who, who am I? Then where is, where am I from? You know? Tell us a little bit about whatever part of that you feel is is most relevant about, about what you found out and what that then led to.

Yeah. So I really applied myself to now becoming a world champion. 'cause when dad said, you are my baby girl, but you've been adopted, I decided from that moment on that the only way that I could prove to the world that I'm deserving of love and affection is if I become a world champion at something. Wow.

So at that age, you decided to become a world champion at that young age, and you knew what that meant. Yeah. Wow. As an 8-year-old, I decided I have to be world champion, but at the time I was playing an abundance of sports, so I was gonna be a world champion of a variety of different things. Oh, so you actually didn't know what you were gonna be world champion at?

No, I was playing tennis, cricket, champion of the world, basketball, like I was playing a variety of sports. So I hadn't really applied myself just yet to Wow what that passion was, except the one sport that I always daydreamed about and couldn't wait to get back to was surfing. So I wasn't motivated by money, I was motivated by passion.

Mm-hmm. Otherwise, I would've stuck with tennis. And was there a freedom in the ocean that you felt that, what? What was the feeling of you? Did you not feel alone in the ocean? Like what was the difference? I feel free in the ocean. I feel connected, I feel centered. I feel it's like it's my therapist as well.

Mm. But the ocean is just where I feel pure joy. And it's, it's a place where I'm able to rinse my mind and my heart of, of anything that may be troubling me and just enable me to connect with Mother Nature, with, um, mother Earth. And I feel pure joy in that environment. For me. It's like immersing myself back in the womb.

I just feel held, I feel nurtured. I feel safe irrespective of how maybe treacherous and intimidating it might be out there. I still feel at home. It's like a homecoming. Astute listeners of our podcast would know that I did an episode with these guys and they grilled me, and I spoke very similarly about it.

It was like, I called her the ocean. She, she's the mother, you know, she is, I've always felt like I felt nurtured and protected for me. I felt on land that I wasn't enough, you know, that I couldn't measure up to everybody else, and there's no way I was gonna be able to be as good as my father or somebody else was.

And, um, when I was in the water, I felt like I was enough. In fact, in felt, I loved exactly the way I was. And then I, all of a sudden it was like she just lifted me up, you know? And I could fly across the top of her and go, wow. I felt, yeah. The relief of all those things. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's funny how we layer our, our human experience with expectations and fears and judgements and self criticisms and self-loathing, but.

When we find those environments where we're allowed to, we give ourselves permission to shed that skin and just be in and, uh, be in the skin that we are in without all of those layers and judgements. And. Stories, it's the freedom that you experience is pretty extraordinary. So I feel for people that don't have that space, that don't have that experience, where they can't just immerse themselves into an environment where they feel wholeheartedly whole and enough and content in life.

And that's why I keep asking people, where's your happy place? Where do you find that moment to recenter yourself? To eliminate and or silence or just, just, I don't know, protect yourself and surrender where? Where's the place where you learn to surrender? For me, that's the ocean. And I'm very fortunate that I feel so safe and so held and so nurtured to be able to say, I can surrender to a force that's so much more powerful than me, that can actually elevate me and liberate me, but then also take my life at the same moment.

Uh, I, I wanna point out something 'cause I, I feel Denise is gonna say something in a minute because she's, you know, we're, I'm always saying to you, come on, find that happy place that, you know, like go, go hang out with your friends. But, um, I just wanna point out something that, um, you know, you lost your mother.

Yep. Did not know who your other mother was at this stage, but you felt the mother Ocean, the mother earth. And so it's very curious language and you said, I felt like I was in the womb. It's very curious language that you also said that it was a force much bigger, you know, and as we know as humans, we can let people down.

We can go and, you know, we do go and we die or we move away, or we have, you know, we become not as trustable as we hope. Might hope that we would be for our kids or whatever it is. You know, as humans we go up and down. But the greater force of the ocean and what you called the mother, um, that's a curious thing, isn't it?

That it holds you so tight and makes you feel all those things that you are missing elsewhere. Yeah, and you know, it took me a while to land on what that was because I was in a state of agitation and unhappiness and I was actually out of the water for a few months and I was doing a lot of emotional work.

I do a lot of what's referred to as NET, which is neuro emotional technique, which is helping me address the emotions that are governing my behaviors and maybe storing pain and trauma in my body, and then releasing them to then a deal with the physical, because our bodies. Uh, physically distract us from processing the emotional pain, but we store emotional pain.

So our, if our shoulders are always stiff or sore or tight, or, you know, I hear about a lot of men who have shoulder issues, it means they're carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders, you know? Mm. I have shoulder issues. You right, you, you're carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders. So anyway, I went and did this therapy session with one of my practitioners and I said, I feel like I'm struggling to be happy.

I, I can't find joy in life. And, and I'm, I dunno where to find it. Like, and all the things that normally bring me joy are not bringing me joy. And I'm, I'm wondering, where's the block? Why, why am I, why am I feeling this agitation all the time? And we uncovered that when I was conceive, 'cause I was conceived by my biological mother.

She was. 17. When she gave birth to me, I was conceived through date rape, and she was then told by her family that she was not allowed to keep me. So, wow. Subconsciously there must have been an element of rejection immediately where I felt like I was deprived of joy in the womb. And so then because of that subconscious connection, I've started to understand how I was depriving myself of joy in life.

Yes. And recognizing now that whenever I go back into the water, that's where the joy is. But I was layering that whole expectation with more pressure and, and, uh, stories and judgments and fears that I was depriving myself of joy in my whole life because I was still pretending I was back in the womb.

Yeah. And now I know that when I go into the water, I can find joy in the womb because that's where I feel safe and held and nurtured. I just have to give myself permission to experience that. What, what, how crazy and beautiful the way you explain it. And I, and I love and appreciate your openness and candidness and that you, you have talked about this for others, you know, as well.

Yeah. But this, this, coming back to the womb, the mother, all this sort of stuff, it's, yeah. It's, it's fascinating that could, so Dr. Bruce Lipton talks about that most of our life patterns are created from conception Yeah. Through till seven years of age. So most people that haven't come across this viewpoint before go what?

Conception? Like at that point in time as a sperm and there's an egg, you know, it's like, yeah, well, what's actually going on at the moment of, of that introduction of this beings gonna come into the world can be psychologically or subconsciously sitting in the background. So you do a really beautiful job of not.

Um, hanging your life on that explanation. You use that to explain, oh, I can see what that means, and I let that go and I move on. But you also graciously visit it and say, this has taught me to have a look back and make sure that you understand that patterning does happen. You know? So when you, um, did first discover that information and you worked all that out, what was the initial release or realization when you put all the pieces together?

What, what occurred for you next in that process? Uh, well, I think I cried a lot because I was, um, I, I feel like I was, I was aware of it, but I wasn't willing to acknowledge it. You know, you have to face it to, to heal it, you know, feel it, to heal it, feel it. To heal it. Yep. Yeah. You gotta feel it to heal it.

And I was feeling it, but I wasn't acknowledging it. Mm-hmm. And so when I'm not acknowledging it, I'm not taking ownership or responsibility for it. So once I. Once I became aware of it, and I think a lot of people are afraid to do this self-reflection or analyzation or, you know, self work because they're afraid of what they may find out.

Mm-hmm. But I, like you say, I, I love to visit it and, and, and dance with it. Um, sometimes wrestle with it, but sometimes dance with it and have a better understanding of who I am and why I am the way I am with the intention to improve the person that I am. Mm-hmm. Because I don't wish to carry around that much baggage.

So it was almost like, okay, I can release that layer because we're onions, right? There's just layer after layer, after layer. And so I peeled off that layer and liberated myself and felt like immense amount of relief and compassion and empathy and understanding of myself until the next layer appeared.

So it was just a matter of, of owning that aspect of myself. And giving myself permission to go. That's okay. And let's move on. Help me understand. There's two things I'd love to share. One with my geneticist hat on, and then the other one as a human being. Um, so as a geneticist, you know, when you're talking about conception and these things that happen, so we have epigenetic programming.

So if there is a stress or a trauma, this will change the things that sit on the DNA and literally change gene expression. So you can, there can be experiences, traumas, also, you know, environmental toxins, nutrient deficiencies, but this programs the DNA, so that you will be in a more reactive. Kind of state, like there, there is something in the world that is dangerous, something bad has happened and I need to come out and be, it's a survival mechanism.

So we understand it from a scientific perspective to a degree. Not everything, but how trauma changes epigenetics. And then these people are set up for anxiety, more likely to get postnatal, um, depression, or, sorry, um, post-traumatic stress, um, syndrome, all, all this kind of stuff. So a little comment there, which is putting, putting in little science, I, I love that.

Um, Denise always goes, oh, from a genetic point of view, that makes complete sense and this is what happens. And da. Yeah. Yeah. And, and when you say, I heal, I, I observed it and I could feel it, and then I healed it and I could see it and I freed it. Denise goes, yeah. So from a genetic point of view, what you did was, you know, yeah.

Because it's, we, we often say it's the mixing of science and soul. Yeah. You know, like exploring human potential through the lens of science and soul. And I'll say something very solely and Denise will go, well, genetically that means da, da da, da. And that actually matches, you know, when we were kids. Lane, they, they didn't match.

They were warring with each other. Those ideas of science and soul. Yes. Yeah. And now they're actually proving each other to be real, which I love. So God please go. Of course causes changes to your hormones, to your neuro tune transmitters. You know, when you think things, you actually cause a biological change in your body.

But then as a human being, something a little bit different, you mention, I don't think I've really ever shared this story, but it, it took me back to a moment you mentioned about how we store, you know, pain or these emotional things, you know, in our body. Um, I used to sort of train at a pretty high level, never a professional athlete, but um, was pretty much interested sort of exercise and looking back, part of it was probably running away from the fact that my mom had Alzheimer's and dementia, so she had mental health issues.

When I was a teenager and I didn't deal with it, I moved out young. And then when she got sick, I didn't really accept that. I don't think I accepted it. I, I knew it a bit like what you said. I was aware of it, but I didn't cry. I didn't spend time with her. I just kind of went off and lived my life and worked really hard and exercised really hard and partied really hard and all those kind of things.

But I had an injury and it took me out for about a year. I had a lot of trouble walking. And then one day I was having myofascial release, something very gentle, like I had all these hard intense try therapies and things. But you was still having a lot of trouble walking, was told I'd never run again.

Long story short, I was having this very gentle, myofascial release, had never had it before. And I had an huge emotional outburst, like, I mean, a big cry. And I hadn't cried in like years. And it was, it was intense, it was physical and I, I just had to let all this stuff go, go. You balled your eyes out and ball my eyes out loud.

That's why he physically, emotions and. It, the, my adductor and all my hip that even though I, you know, had, had all these injuries, the pain actually went away. Like I, I, I could, you know, it was, it was an emotional release and attached to that physical pain, and then through some other, um, things, because I couldn't exercise, I'd started doing some yoga, which I didn't love, and I hated the meditation.

But then all of a sudden the meditation kicked in, sort of after having this release, I was in the meditation only doing it so that I could actually exercise again, not for the holistic healing, but it all came to me at, at this sort of end of a yoga class. I was like, oh my God, I need to go and spend time with my mom.

Like, what have I been doing? And there was a lot of emotional stuff, and all that physical healing sort of came with me then dealing with, with some emotional stuff. So just, yeah, made me think of that, that moment. Um, and how much we do physically be impacted by, by these pains and emotional traumas. Yeah.

And funnily enough, it. Put you back on track in some ways it sends you back to go, you know? So you went back and, and, um, found your mom or met your, your biological mom. Is that right? Yes. Yes. What, what, what was that like for you? Well, it was a little confronting and also a little bit edifying at the same time, because of course, I started to question, well, who am I?

And why am I the way that I am? And where do I come from? And I wonder what my mother looks like, and I wonder if I look like her. And, and I wonder what, what, you know, what are, what am I predispositioned for? Like, what's coming my way? And so when I was 24, what's, what's in my backstory that I dunno about exactly, that leads me to being this person that I am today as well, that has, that has, uh, contributed to that.

When I was 24, I applied for my birth certificate and, and I received it. And it suggest, well, it told me that she was six to 17 and lived in Surrey Hills. So I just crafted this story about her. And then in 1997, so three years later, um, no, sorry, 1999. So five years later, she reached out to me, she found my dad's details and called him and then called me and tried to make up for 27 years in one phone call, and, which was very confronting and very overwhelming.

And I literally just shut her out. I pushed her away and went, I'm not ready for this. I dunno how to cope with this. And so I went into survival mode and just in my typical survival mode, I literally shut down and shut out. And she, uh, she kept coming, kept coming, kept coming, kept coming. So. I went to San Francisco, she lived in America and I flew, she was living in Santa Rosa, which is just outside of San Francisco, and I met her at the airport and uh, and it really felt like I was, I was walking into.

A 17-year-old, uh, version of myself. Like there was no question that she was my mother. Just from the look of her and her, her, her spirit and just everything about her, I was like, okay. 'cause everyone was maybe questioning Is she a gold digger? Is she a fame digger? You know, where, where were you in in your career at this point?

I was just, just too much shy of winning my second world title. Right, okay. So well into it. Yeah, well into it. So you're looking at her and you can see, you can see you staring back, so, yes. Yeah. I'm like, oh, yep, no question here. Yeah. And so then we just sat down and had a chat and promised to stay in contact and, and then that was the beginning of what.

Resulted in quite a tumultuous journey and moments of rejection and moments of acceptance and mm-hmm. Uh, yeah, it ebbed and flowed like the tides that came in and went out and, and then in 2017, it was around about this time, actually, 2017, around Easter, uh, she rang me and said that she'd been diagnosed with, uh, ovarian cancer and had been given three weeks to live.

So, mm, I had to jump on a plane and run over to America the next day. And, and fortunately I had that opportunity. You know, I think about so many people, especially during COVID, that weren't blessed with the opportunity to say goodbye to loved ones. And that gave me the closure and the resolve, uh, and the immense amount of gratitude that I needed to basically close that chapter.

So, yeah. You say gratitude. Why gratitude? What, what was it that you were grateful for? So I'm grateful we got to settle our differences. Mm-hmm. We got to say, I'm sorry, we got to forgive each other. We got, we were able to let each other know that we loved each other and then she fell asleep. So I'm very grateful that I had that opportunity to have that conversation because our relationship had literally gone like this all the time.

Mm-hmm. And, uh, and if I wasn't rejecting her, she was rejecting me and then I would, you know, come in and say, I'm sorry. And she's like, I dunno what to take of that. So it was just, you know, we're always, um, yeah, finding a way to come to stay in each other's lives, but never truly connecting. And, um, so to have that moment right before she died was really, really special.

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I, I reckon a lot of people listening Lane would be going, oh wow. And relating in different, in their own different ways and feeling certain things From what you just said. What do you feel when you say it? When you say, look, I had that chance and I got to say, good boy. What do you feel when you say that to us right now, this, this different lane years on?

That's so beautiful. And how do you feel when you reflect on it now? Uh, it's different every day. I, you know, my emotions are the result of my energy. So if I'm depleted of energy, my emotions are a lot more surface level or a lot more raw. Mm-hmm. So I feel a lot more vulnerable now, but if I'm energetic, then I can be quite, I don't know, just matter of fact about it.

So, yes. Um, every day's different. You know, I'm riding, riding the waves just like every other human being. And I can't control the waves, but I can learn how to surf. Right. So I, yeah, you can turn, you can turn on them. Yeah. So I just do my best. So I, you know, and then there's moments where I just stop and go, damn, you know, I wish I could have, or I wish.

And whenever I get stuck in that mentality, I know I'm prolonging pain and suffering. So I come back and I anchor myself in. I'm so grateful I did. So otherwise I could live in this. Shame cycle or guilt cycle of pushing her away and not connecting with her and not learning more about her. And now as I'm seeing my business partner Tess, in Awake Academy Yeah.

Bring up her, her toddler. I realize I have more empathy for her now. Yeah. It's a little late for that, but I do, I have a lot more empathy and understanding or compassion for what you must have gone through. Yeah. This is, um, such an informing thing of your life. This has informed the way you are now. Tell us a little bit, tell us a little bit about, um, your academy and what you are most loving to teach right now.

What, what are you, what are you living to give now based on all these things? What do you most live to give and what, tell us about the academy. That's a great question. What do I live to give? I live to give. Hmm. See, one word I really don't like to use is hope. I. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But I do, there's a part of me that does live to give that, because hope to me stands for heaps of plausible excuses.

Like, we're waiting for everything. So that's the, that's the shadow of hope is heaps of plausible excuses. We're waiting for everything outside to change before we do. But there's a little light of hope too, right? There's a light side as opposed to the shadow side. So that's what you were just feeling. So what is that?

What's the, what's the light of hope? So, the light of hope is, is that centeredness, that, that connection, that confidence within the self to overcome, to establish clarity, to believe in the self, to motivate, to inspire, but then to also honor and acknowledge and accept. Mm-hmm. Because things aren't always good all the time.

Yeah. So it's to provide a toolkit to navigate life, to be a happier, more purposeful human being, to know yourself and grow yourself. That's what the name of our book is. You know, know yourself, grow yourself, and live a happier, more purposeful Life. That's what I live to give, is the tools that I've utilized to overcome and live and thrive.

Wow. I imagine too that you would've built a lot of resilience. We've talked about your, your personal life, which, you know, is, is huge at obviously shaping who you are. But even just going back for me, who I mentioned just before we jumped on, even though I was from Melbourne originally and not really into surfing, as soon as I moved down to, you know, toque Jan Jack, that's all everyone talks about is surfing.

Um, you know, and the rip curl pros on and this and that. Like, it's just, it's just the whole, the whole town. And um, you know, you are really the first female surfer that I know of that, you know, became. A real surfer. I mean, you changed the sport and I'm sure there were, you know, many women before you, but didn't take it to the level that you have.

And I imagine there were a lot of challenges and resilience and, and I'm sure there's some stories there if we have a moment to explore, explore that kicks in the guts, guts and all sorts of stuff that happened. Yeah. Yeah. I, I would love to hear more, a bit more about that as a woman. Give us an essay on that as a, yeah, as a female coming through and, and what you, what you've done to overcome all that and change the sport.

Yeah. Maybe take us through those six titles. Just, you know, that, that snapshot of who you became and what you learn and what you're up against, because you really did change Australian sport and world sport. Um, you really did. You changed the way we all saw it. So, great question, Denise. That's, that's very generous of you.

And, and I, I don't feel worthy of the credit so much as you're giving it. There's that worthiness, there's that worthiness thing again. We'll nip that in the bud. Yep. Uh, and that's just a little adoptee coming out saying, no, I'm not worthy of that. That's right. And that's coming, that's stemming from fear, not from love.

Well, the, the other thing I wanted to say on that quickly, um, lane, is that I feel your life has been very much a meant to be experience. You are meant to be in all those young girls' faces. You're meant to, to inspire Steph Carissa, all the others. You are meant to change it. So there's such a thing. 'cause right back at that early story, there's that part of not meant to be, you know, like not meant to be, not supposed to be.

And then, but the truth is the deeper, greater, most amazing truth that would defy all the odds is bullshit. This woman was meant to come through all of that, like a spirit that's undeniable spark that changed everything. And that was meant to be, you literally were the person that was strong enough to change that.

So I'll give that acknowledgement to you in a different way and say, that's the way I see it is you were born to do what you did. So tell us a little bit about it from that perspective. Spark it, trv. You, you're a gift to us, LA You have just always been a gift. Thank you. You did it again, Trent. He likes to make, he likes to make people, but it's genuine.

Just, I just love, just love tears this morning before, before the podcast even started. But from a, from a deep, you in tears now, you know, I'm actually, I'm in tears now. But, um, I just love and adore you, mate. I just, I just, I know I see you. I just know. I, I get you. I'm so grateful for you in my world, you know?

So, yeah. Thank you. And I just have a personal interest as in a female to a female. Like how did you do that? How'd you change the world? Yeah. Well, um, I had a really clear vision that I wanted women surfing to stand on its own two feet. Mm-hmm. Now, that was about as clear as the vision got. I had no idea what it needed to do to do that or what it looked like.

I just wanted women surfing to be different to what it was when I found it, which is a misogynistic sex shit show. It's called Ms. SS Misogynistic, sexist shit show. It wasn't, it wasn't welcoming, it wasn't supported, it wasn't encouraged. Full of self-importance. Oh God. Yeah. It was, it was brutal. Um, and then the women, I think, were so desperate to earn the recognition and respect of the, of all the men that ran the show, that they started acting and behaving and dressing like men.

It's like we'd lost the benefit of gender and, and Wow. They lost their own identity in that. And they were doing it for the love of the sport. And so I feel that's where I feel like I'm not worthy of, of all the credit because they took so much like they encountered and endured so much shit to give me the little platform that I took and then took it completely to a new stratosphere.

Because I looked at what they didn't do and go, that's not for me, and that's not okay. And we all, we know that we set the standards by what we allow. And I just kept looking at that going, that's not okay. That's, I don't know. I don't know how this has been allowed for so long. And so I became the, the spokesperson, the advocate, the agitator, the antithesis to the surfing industry.

I became what I referred to as a loose cannon because I spoke my mind. I challenged the status quo. Dangerous, dangerous. And everything that I did was very, um, unpopular. Unpopular amongst who? I mean who, who found what you did? Um, challenging and, and confronting. Confronting, yeah. Who specific, I mean, not names, but what groups of people?

So the surfers themselves, but there would've been others. The male surfers, my female colleague, my peers, the surfing industry and the governing body. Yeah, just touches everyone. But what, what you are describing, because that is the real change. What you showed is not just elevating women surfing, but that you can, you don't have to behave or appear like a man in order to elevate that you can be a woman.

You can, that that's the real change. That's, and that's the, what I can see is, was the bravery that, that, that came with that. So what you I remember that, that, yeah. To that point, I remember just going to a press conference for like, 'cause every event used to have a little press event or a media event and the excitement that was displayed by the media when I showed up to, I think it was for the, the Diet Coke Women's Classic or one of the events down at Manley in a little black dress with a bit of jewelry on.

Mm. Mm-hmm. And they were like, whoa. I was like, what's the, not not a pair of board shorts and a shirt or something, you know? Yeah. Pair of trackies and a t-shirt. No. Yeah. Well probably 'cause I wasn't sponsored, but, but I brought some femininity and I must admit, you know, Lisa Anderson was one of the pioneers of Yeah.

She was boosting the, the essence of femininity through sport and Yep. Showing how beautiful it is to be a beautiful woman, but also to be a powerful woman. Yeah. And to be strong. And, and that, you know, the beautiful warrior story that you share Trev, especially with your kids and your daughters, and being that warrior woman, the, the,

hmm. The discouragement that women experienced in the early years and then that which resulted in this lack of. Identity, this belief in conformity that prevented them from embracing their beauty and embracing their style and saying, I am woman, hear me raw. Like this is what I bring. And now we're seeing the benefits of that with the WSL and the investment into women's surfing.

So I just wanted to take women's surfing out of the ship box that it was in and put it on a platform where it was being elevated and celebrated for what it is without comparison. Mm. And unfortunately we spent too many years being compared to the men and that held us back for too long. Yeah. Ah, that's a beautiful, so I, I just before we just move on because it does raise another question.

And what is it that you see that women surfing brings? That men's doesn't? Elegance style, grace, beauty, humor. Estrogen. Can I, can I add light? Can I add light? Mm-hmm. Light. There's a lightness, light. You know, I just see, I, I don't, this is not, this is just a picture that came into my mind as a filter, but the flowing blonde hair, the lightness, you know, the joy, the lightness, you know, the love of, ah, you said humor, like giggling girls playing.

My God. Yeah. What a powerful, powerful thing. That's just been, that's me. Been needed for so long. Girls playing playfulness. Yeah. I feel that women surf with the ocean, whereas men can't surf against the ocean. Yeah. So we, uh, we tap into Mother Nature and allow her to protect and, and push us. Mm. Whereas I find men kind of come out and try and attack and.

Men tend to over overs, surf and be aggressive, tear, tear the wave to pieces. And then you, so it sounds a bit more like a dance is what you are describing. It's a dance, yeah. Yeah. Women tend to dance more than the men. And I must admit, last year, I, I was competing for my club and I went up and surfed with my surf coach right before I started competing just to, just to refresh all of the, the mentality that's associated with competition.

And I caught two waves and he called me in, he's like, okay, here's the thing, you've forgotten the dance. Ah. And I went, oh yeah, yeah, you're right. And that made me cry. 'cause I realized I'd gone into the, the, the masculinity of surfing and I detached from the femininity of surfing and I needed to come back into the dance.

It's funny you should say that because a, a good friend of yours and someone we've had on Kelly Slater is that Oh yeah. Probably through the similar period of time, um, in some ways had a little bit more of the dance in him than others. Right. He was one of the ones that brought that, you know, the, the intricacies of maneuvers and everything else, but there's that, even though Kelly was the brutal competitor, he all also had that connection with the ocean that played itself out, which all good, really well for him.

Right. You both won so many titles over that period of time and both defined the sport, but I, from a male angle and from the female, and you both appeared to me to be dancing. Yeah. I think Kelly was the king of that, and he has this innate nature about him. When he is in the ocean, it's almost like the less he thinks the better.

Mm. Because he is so in tune and so connected. I felt like he was a natural talent, so he, the, the, the prodigy that he became and the master that he became. Uh, emanated from, I feel that the, the trust in his abilities. I feel that I came from a place where I didn't have natural ability. I didn't have natural talent.

I didn't have that natural understanding, and I had to develop it, which actually held me back because for the first five years or first six years of my professional surfing career, I was attempting to enforce myself upon the tour. And I was attempting to, I I was just trying too hard. And we know trying is the opposite of trusting.

And whenever we go into trying, we are no longer in flow. We're, we're out of adaptation. We are now into aggression and assertion. And Kelly was the, was the epitome. And just the, when you talk about light, when Kelly was in flow, my goodness, he was a ball of light. He, it's almost like he could have. He could have actually manipulated the ocean 'cause he was just so powerful.

And I remember those moments within myself, but they were very fleeting because I kept getting in my head, I kept getting in my own way. Mm-hmm. And, uh, and getting out of my own head and, and falling back into my heart, which is the stories that I share about my world titles. Seven of them were won. Six in a row of them were one, um, sorry.

I won seven world titles. I won six in a row, but I only won five in Fear and two in love. So the fight, the fear based world titles were outcome driven and the love based world titles were process driven and they were effortless and they were graceful, they were beautiful, they were joyful. Didn't mean that I won all the time and it didn't mean it wasn't hard, but there was anness about it unfolded for you.

Yeah, and it was a built on a foundation of trust. But the minute I won my first one, I now went into these layers of expectations and unassociated pressure that just built on it. That just made it harder because I had this LA limiting belief, or subconscious belief that success had to be hard and I kept making it so.

Mm-hmm. So with those, were those ones that you won in Flow that you won, when were they the last two? Or they just, you just happened to be the bookends? One, seven. Wow. First and last. Okay. Yeah. How poetic. Wow. Um, I love it too that the, you know, we're talking about the empowerment of the feminine, but when the masculine and the feminine work really well together, they inspire each other and they show each other the way.

Yeah. And I love when you talked about Kelly being the light, you know, but even when he's, when he did one world title number seven, which was after him and I started working together, 'cause he came off the tour and went back on the tour. Yeah. And he released a video for the Love Oh yeah. Was the video, you know, and it was actually seven was letting go.

I think number eight was for the love. Yeah. So it's kind of crazy that you were learning the same things that Yeah. It took him till title number seven or eight to learn about love and it took you to title number seven to go, oh, it is about the love. It's gone full circle. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I should have worked with you a lot earlier.

I missed out on that. Yes. And I was coming back. I was, I was returning from a, a severe neck injury. So I had, I heard he had a disc in my neck that I suffered when I was surfing. Chop. When I won in 2001 and it's seven 80% of my spinal cord, and I chose to ignore it to the point that I had immense amount of atrophy and enormous amount of pain.

So I had to go and address that issue, and it took me six months out of the water to address it and deal with all of the layers of pain and trauma that were associated with that injury. To then come back and to come back with a refreshed attitude. I had to learn to trust in something different because the way in which I was operating was unsustainable, and it was really easy to identify why it was unsustainable.

My body was broken, my relationships was strained. I was adrenally exhausted. There was just so many. Uh, indications that things weren't okay, but it's amazing how we can convince ourselves that being not okay is actually okay. Yeah. So we become addicted to, to that um, that discomfort because it's familiar and it's known and we like to stay stuck there, which is what I did.

I stay stuck in that for six world titles. And then one of my girlfriends asked me, what's driving you? Do you think it's adopted? I was like,

yeah, you, Hey on. Did you just take that away from me? Yeah. Yeah. Didn't, didn't win a world title after that. Oh, we, Dan, we were talking about this this morning about being driven and Yeah. And actually having to come back and tune in and, and allow yourself to, to rise up to what you're really here to do, to let go of the struggle.

And sometimes the struggle can be a convenient thing. I wanna touch on that and you share whatever you want about this, but I, I find it intriguing and fascinating 'cause I've spent a bit of time around you guys, but in your love journey. You know, you eventually come along and what most people would see on the outside is an unlikely coupling in a beautiful marriage.

So you, you talk about whatever you want in this. I don't wanna pry, but, but Kirk, you are a beautiful partner, Kirk. Oh my God, you guys are amazing together. I'm sure you, I, I don't know about what happens behind the scenes, but, but you're such an incredible yin and yang. You're such a, you're such a show stopping couple to be around, and you're both such big spirits, you know, like, oh my God, irrepressible spirits.

And tell us a little bit about what did you feel comfortable, but what, what, what did you, what did he bring to you? What did you discover? What happened when you let yourself, when you let yourself be in love like that, what happened? Well, first I allowed myself to be seen. Mm. Which was really challenging at first, because I had, he saw you, he saw you from a place like way out.

Didn't he? Saw you? Well. I believe so. But look, well look, when he was introduced to me, he really had no idea who I was. 'cause he didn't watch to be, uh, he was an international rockstar. And I mean, the first concert I ever went to was an n excess show when I was 14. And can you imagine him standing there behind his microphone with his saxophone going, there's my future wife 14, the 14-year-old in the third row with a Garfield jumper on.

That's her four foot one. Yes. But when you were talking about the, the spirit that we share, it made me reflect on the fact that we are a big, we are big characters. We're, but we're, we share a love of the little things. Mm. And that's what helps us stay so united and so strong. Mm. And it's the little things that we continue to build on because we started.

This far apart, and we are continuing to collide. These two worlds are colliding gradually because we are so different in so many ways, but so the same in many of those ways, and we love finding those commonalities as we get older. And, uh, Kirk's 14 years older than me and wants me to retire, but also respects my desire to keep doing what I do and loving what I do.

And also, you know, is enjoy, well, maybe not enjoying being a surf widow, uh, but is accepting the fact that it brings me a lot of joy and it's my happy place. So he encourages me to go surfing, but I'm really grateful that I found someone that brings the best outta me and elevates and celebrates me, but also challenges me.

He can be a real devil's advocate. He can be a real asshole too, but so can I. Mm-hmm. So, uh, great relationship. Yeah. Yeah. Mighty, mighty companions. I'm not one like that. Yeah. Yep. You're right on track.

So, so yeah. Kirk Kirk's, um, Kirk's a beautiful soul. I'm very grateful to have him in my life. Quick, very quick question on that. What, you know, um, we can be assholes for each other, which is what great relationships do. They go, no, no. Bullshit. There's more, come on. You know, we challenge each other. Yeah, yeah.

But flipping it completely, you know, from wanting to be recognized and wanting to be seen in that, that little healing that you had to go through, what is, what is the sweetest thing he's ever said to you?

That's the thing. The look, the first thing that comes to mind is when I'm in, when I'm in a depressive state or when I'm struggling, he allows me to marinate in that for a little while, but then he mm-hmm. He basically calls me on it. Mm-hmm. And says. What's going on? Are you okay? And I know he is asking me at a time when he has the capacity to deal with whatever comes outta me.

Mm. Because it's one thing to know someone's not okay, but if you are not okay, and you're asking someone that's not okay, you can't hold the space for them. Yeah. And holding the space is hard. Mm. So when I, when I'm not okay, and he says, are you not okay? And I'm like, yeah, you're right. I'm not. Okay. The first, the sweetest thing that he does is he says, do you need a hug?

Oh, that's beauty. That's gold. Because men love to fix shit. Yeah. But how beautiful. Because it goes all the way back to your story about the ocean and the embrace of the, you know, um, in the womb and the hug, you know, or, or you've ever really needed. Lainey is a hug. That's it. Yes. Pretty powerful woman.

Just need a hug. Every now and then, I just need a hug. That's why I'm a hugger. I love to be hugged. I love to feel the hug. I love to feel the embrace. And it doesn't have to be physical. It can also come through. The words that you say, or your intentions or just your energy. So that's probably why I'm a little bit hyper aware of that when we're having a big hug right now, four of us is We love you Lane, and I'm, I'm actually, I'm picturing too, when my husband gives me a hug, there's a bit of a similar thing sometimes.

You know, I, I take on a lot. We all, we all know this and, you know, lots of, lots of things going on. Yeah. And I can get quite, you know, busy and I'm, I'm almost repelling him because, you know, you're just sort of like, I've just got so much going on. Can you just, I don't wanna talk right now, but he has this little thing where he comes and he gives me a hug, but, um, he kind of, he kind of just, and he's quite a.

Yeah. Personality. That's quite a stronger personality. He's not, not like a softy kind of guy, but he comes in anyway, the long story short, he gives me this hug, but he kind of sneaks in slowly. It's very cute. And all of a sudden I am out of that place of, yeah, I can't talk to you right now. There's too much going on, blah.

Just to go, oh, and I can just let go. It's uh, nice. It's, yeah. I think a hug can be very, very powerful. Even if you think you don't want one. Yes. So it's, yeah, exactly. You've been pleasantly surprised and, and, uh, dis, what's the word I was looking for? Disarmed. Yeah, disarmed. That's it. Yeah. Been disarmed by a hug.

And Kirk loves to like, he'll be, he'll walk down the post office and he'll come back and I'm out surfing and I'll come back to the office and he is left a friend of panty on my desk. 'cause he loves friend panties or he is found my towel and he's put it in the sun for me. I want it. He always, I wanna hug from Kirk too, now that you're telling me this.

He's adorable. He's adorable. And now we've got three final questions for you. 'cause we are gonna get you outta here in 10 minutes 'cause you've got other beautiful things to do. Yeah. Um, so firstly, Denise. Yeah. So I would love to know what is your protocol? Doesn't gonna be a protocol, but what do you do to keep yourself, you know, healthy?

Well, what are you doing right now that's working for you? Is there any, like, dietary stuff? Obviously you're surfing supplements, what are you doing that you could share with us? Yes. Great question Denise. 'cause my life has changed dramatically since, uh, entering into menopause. Mm. I'm in perimenopause. Ugh.

Navigating the menopause. What do you got there? What medication? Look at that. Yeah, so we actually have a new, a new, we'll, new product called that we can send, you'll send Al Ultra complex. Yeah. So, um, it combines Black Kho and Fen Greek, which is menopause is bloody complex. Yeah. Yes, that's right. This, this, this is great for supporting many of the symptoms essentially that, and not only this, which is specifically good for hot flashes and when you're going through a lot of the symptoms, we've also got other products too that can help with sleep and calming.

And we'll put a little, we'll put a little package together for you with some samples. The Deep Wave Sleep Booster is the deep, amazing sleep booster is one of my favorites. Yeah. Yep. Right. Thanks. Yeah. So, um, I listened to a podcast with, uh, Andrew Huberman and Dr. Stacy Sims. Oh, yep. No Stacy yet at the start of the year and realized that everything I was doing was wrong.

I've been intermittent fasting. Oh, for 10 years. Yep. And over the last couple, like it worked for me for probably the first seven years, but over the last few years it's just stopped working and I'm thinking, what am I doing wrong? Why isn't this fasting thing working for me anymore? Why do I keep fluctuating with my body weight?

And what is this band of fat around my belly? Like where is that come from? And do I really have to learn to accept that? Yes, I do. Um, and look, I've, I've been in menopause for nine years now, so I think I'm into my 10th year of it. And, uh, and I've been through the worst of it, I feel, but I'm still, I still get, you know, I wake up with the hot flash and, uh, I still go into brain fog and, and you know, memory loss and, and the weight gain and the tinnitus and all of, so there's so many things that go with menopause.

It just, it's fascinating. It's almost like it becomes a hook for absolutely every ailment of a woman over 50. Oh, it's just menopause, you know, and it itchy skin. I'm just really itchy. And then I've, like someone told me that's, that's her one of the symptoms, dry skin, like snake skin. Yeah. It's just like, where's that come from?

Brutal. So what I've done, because I remember saying to Kirk last year, I really look forward to the day when I have the vitality and the energy to not only surf, but train as well. Because I really wanna get my body strong again. I've had a lot of atrophy and, and I've lost a lot of muscle mass in my fifties.

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It's made for healthy aging, but it's also got HMB, so it can help stop that muscle muscle. So good. Yeah. Force you to retain muscle and build muscle. It's crazy. Yes, you'll love it. And one, if you are wanting to get back into training and feeling strong. One of my patients at the moment, only one, but she's extremely fit.

She's in her fifties. I mean, she's still, um, and a bit like you, she's, she's quite ripped for, for a 50-year-old, but starting to really notice this tummy that's coming and she's not happy with that, but since she started that product. Yeah. Um, plus everything else we're doing, but she's losing that belly fat.

The berberine is helpful as well. Yeah. We've got the berberine. Um, but she said she's feeling stronger. Yeah. So she's always had protein powder, but this particular one, she's like, I actually feel stronger. She's noticing a difference in her training. So fingers crossed, you can let us know if you are getting back into training if it helps you.

Yeah, we'll send you all, get you the pack. Yeah, I have got back into training. I started, uh, working with a personal trainer guy called Shannon Ponton, who was the celebrity trainer. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I know Shannon. Yep, yep. Yeah, I'm working with him. I've joined a gym for the first time in my life. Wow. And, uh, and I'm finding now that because I'm eating before I train, I'm eating after I train, I'm incorporating protein into all my meals that I'm now physically a lot stronger and, uh, and have a way more energy.

So now I can surf for hours and also go to the gym, which I haven't been able to do that for years. So, Kirk's a little bit pissed at me because I'm not doing intermittent fasting, so I don't suffer on the two days a week that he's suffering. But, uh, I'm, I'm happy to skip that all together and have the vitality to move my body and nourish my body with quality foods and quality protein, and rest and sleep better.

Hmm. And all those studies around intermittent fasting, metabolic health and weight loss, they're predominantly done in men. A lot of the male athletes, not women, particularly, not women going through perimenopause or menopause. And the other thing with fasting is not only can you be getting that, you know, losing muscle, as you said, the reality is if you're a little bit stressed or there's some stuff with cortisol, it's a bit of a stress on the body.

It's not good for everyone. We wanna feel nourished and we need to get all those nutrients in. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's right. That's the healing part. And I, and I stopped doing contrast therapy as well. Ah, okay. Hot cold. Well stop doing the infrared into ice baths. Yeah, because the ice bath is just too much stress on my body.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not for everyone. It's great for lots of people, like intermittent fasting can be great, cold therapy can be great, but if you do have some adrenal stuff, you do have some issues around. So because of your history, all those epigenetic, you're gonna have a big stress response. You're gonna feel unsafe.

So we don't wanna be putting more and more stress onto you, and you're trying to apply, um, something that needed your guardian mentality. You're trying to apply the old warrior to it, which is like hot, cold, you know, go without all that sort of stuff. We're actually the, you need the nurturing now, which is the, the protein in the nutrients.

So a question if we lanny, we ask this one to everybody. Um, and we're gonna get you outta here in about four minutes, so. Mm-hmm. Um, so if we were with this beautiful information and Shannon's help and everything you've learn, and if we were to explore this whole thing and we're able to find ways to give you an extra 10, 15, 20 years of really healthy living.

You know, 'cause that's what health span is. And longevity truly is another 10, 15, 20 years of longevity or health span. What would you wanna do with it? Why would you want an extra 10, 15, 20 years of healthy living? What do you, what does Lane Beachley wanna do with that surfer? Shortboard didn't. That's nice.

I just wanna surf. For some people that don't understand, that just simply means old surfers, they still surf, they just get on longer and longer boards. What Lay wants to do is surf a shortboard, like the same thing that she ripped up forever and just keep going, surfing that shortboard. That's what I wanna do with it.

I mean, of course I want to have the vitality for all the fun things in life. I wanna be able to travel and engage and challenge myself and, and not feel so depleted and exhausted that I don't have the energy for the fun things in life. Mm-hmm. And that's where I found myself. I was too depleted to enjoy life outside of just surfing.

Um, so that's why Kirk was kind of resentful to surfing, but now I have the energy for the other things. So for, yeah, what you are talking about with the health span. I just wanna be able to have the energy for life and to keep surfing and to keep bringing my energy and my joy to the world. Yeah. Back to the girl playing the little girl.

Just wanting to play. And I look forward to looking for your, looking at, you've got this academy that we'll look into and this, well actually that's the next question. Less profound, but just as important. So if people wanna find out more about what you are doing, the academy and what you have to offer, how can they find you?

So they can jump on Wake academy.com au and find us there. We developed this academy back in during COVID during 2020, and essentially it's all my life lessons distilled into an online course that we now facilitate and deliver publicly. Through corporations and public events. So we've actually got an event coming up on, in June for just for Men, and it's for addressing men's mental health and normalizing the conversation around mental health and getting and where, where and when is that?

Where and when is that? That's in Manley Manley Pavilion on the 12th of June. It's a full day event, so jump onto the events page of the awake academy.com au website and you'll find all the information there. So we're really excited by that. We've also got a book, which is essentially the online course distilled into a book form, and, uh, and we're also working on developing a podcast and coming out with a variety of other things as well.

But it's a, it's a passion project and it's something that we love. When people come to our events, they walk out going, my goodness, I got more from that than I did in 15 years of therapy, so thank you. So we're helping people transform their own lives to be happier and healthier and live more purposefully well.

I love you, sister Lane. I love you and uh, we love you as well. Yeah, we just met. We're all in. We're all in together. Say it Danny. We love that. We love, um, you're just such an incredible Australian human woman, um, spirit, um, young little girl, you know. Um, so grateful to have you all in our world and thanks for being you.

Thank you for being you. Thanks, you guys. Thanks for the chat. Thanks.